Two infantry soldiers are in a fox hole - a 190 pound man and a 125 pound woman. The man gets hurt and she needs to help him. Throw him over her shoulder and carry him a mile for help. Don’t think so.
Nice socio experiment. Can America stand seeing their daughters and wives killed, mutilated and what not? To satisfy the nags?
The fools pushing this don’t have a clue about what they’re demanding.
All one has to do is look at either Olympic or World records in Track and Field.
In many events a very good High School boy can beat the Women’s world record.
Some of the events are purposely skewed to make women look better. For instance women use a lighter shot, they run a 100 meter High Hurdles but men run 110 meters over higher hurdles.
In any event requiring speed, strength or power, they are not even close.
Rest assured the standards will be lowered and the public will not be told. I understand that the tests to be a pilot were lowered and at least two women have already died.
In addition, unit cohesion will be destroyed by a "diverse military." A diverse military becomes beholden only to their Imperial benefactor for their pay and perks.(The Roman legion comes to mind.) Our soldiers will become little isolated atoms easily destroyed by a non-diverse military. One can rely on technology only so far. Further the loyalty of a "diverse" military will be to the one creating them not to the constitution. In short, Caesarism. A side effect will be ease in shooting the Amercian civilian population.
The problem will be little better in Armor than in Infantry. I spent 3-1/2 years as an Armor officer in a tank unit back in the late 70s, then spent another 17 years in the Army Reserve. Being an Armor crewman is a physically demanding job. Just riding around in a tank is not the entire job. As an example, to load ammunition into an M-60 tank, you had to have one crewman on the ground lifting each round as a dead weight from the ground over his head to hand it to another crewman who was squatting on the side of the tank. That crewman then had to stand and lift the round over his head and hand it to a third crewman in the turret, who had to stoop down and put it in the rack. Not a job for weaklings.
Then there was changing a track - a job for four strong men.
Are there women who could do this? Probably. But there aren’t many.
This doesn’t even begin to address the pysical demands of being in the field (not to mention combat) for weeks at a time. Men begin to break down, even when physically conditioned.
Again, are there women who can stand up to this? Probably, but not enough to make a difference.
The only way this will work is if they lower the standards - and that is what they are going to do. Some poor tank crew is going to be saddled with a woman, who will stand “guard” while they do the heavy lifting. Then when they get shipped into combat, she will either physically break down, get pregnant, mentally break down, or some other variant. It happens to men (except the pregnant part, of course), but will happen to women quicker.
This isn’t to say that women don’t belong in the military. I served with many women who were terrific soldiers - but not in Infantry, not Armor and definitely not Special Forces.
Our military is getting weaker by the day.
Thanks to all of you who felt they had to not vote or vote third party - you are part of the problem.
Gen. Martin Dempsey, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said Thursday that with women now eligible to fill combat roles in the military, commanders must justify why any woman might be excluded – and, if women can’t meet any unit’s standard, the Pentagon will ask: “Does it really have to be that high?”
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For every one female that deserves a place at the tip of the spear there are probably a couple of thousand who don’t. They will be allowed to slide and when the lead starts flying they will be sacrificed on the altar of Progressiveness. That means there are thousands of little girls growing up right now who are being sentenced to rape, mutilation and death by this line of reasoning. It’s not their fault but because of their genes they don’t stand a snowball’s chance in Hell in combat. Lying about it changes nothing.
Hug your daughters and granddaughters.
It does make women feel equal and more likely to vote Democrat. Mission accomplished.
Pray for America
Can’t wait for the Army, Navy, and USAF academy football teams to go 50% female - if woman cant make the Academy football teams than maybe the standards are just too hhigh and need to be lowered
I’m sure the Pentagon 4-stars can figure out the locker room privacy issues
Ryan Smith: The Reality That Awaits Women in Combat
America has been creeping closer and closer to allowing women in combat, so Wednesday’s news that the decision has now been made is not a surprise. It appears that female soldiers will be allowed on the battlefield but not in the infantry. Yet it is a distinction without much difference: Infantry units serve side-by-side in combat with artillery, engineers, drivers, medics and others who will likely now include women. The Pentagon would do well to consider realities of life in combat as it pushes to mix men and women on the battlefield.
Many articles have been written regarding the relative strength of women and the possible effects on morale of introducing women into all-male units. Less attention has been paid to another aspect: the absolutely dreadful conditions under which grunts live during war.
Most people seem to believe that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have merely involved driving out of a forward operating base, patrolling the streets, maybe getting in a quick firefight, and then returning to the forward operating base and its separate shower facilities and chow hall. The reality of modern infantry combat, at least the portion I saw, bore little resemblance to this sanitized view.
I served in the 2003 invasion of Iraq as a Marine infantry squad leader. We rode into war crammed in the back of amphibious assault vehicles. They are designed to hold roughly 15 Marines snugly; due to maintenance issues, by the end of the invasion we had as many as 25 men stuffed into the back. Marines were forced to sit, in full gear, on each other’s laps and in contorted positions for hours on end. That was the least of our problems.
The invasion was a blitzkrieg. The goal was to move as fast to Baghdad as possible. The column would not stop for a lance corporal, sergeant, lieutenant, or even a company commander to go to the restroom. Sometimes we spent over 48 hours on the move without exiting the vehicles. We were forced to urinate in empty water bottles inches from our comrades.
Many Marines developed dysentery from the complete lack of sanitary conditions. When an uncontrollable urge hit a Marine, he would be forced to stand, as best he could, hold an MRE bag up to his rear, and defecate inches from his seated comrade’s face.
During the invasion, we wore chemical protective suits because of the fear of chemical or biological weapon attack. These are equivalent to a ski jumpsuit and hold in the heat. We also had to wear black rubber boots over our desert boots. On the occasions the column did stop, we would quickly peel off our rubber boots, desert boots and socks to let our feet air out.
Due to the heat and sweat, layers of our skin would peel off our feet. However, we rarely had time to remove our suits or perform even the most basic hygiene. We quickly developed sores on our bodies.
When we did reach Baghdad, we were in shambles. We had not showered in well over a month and our chemical protective suits were covered in a mixture of filth and dried blood. We were told to strip and place our suits in pits to be burned immediately. My unit stood there in a walled-in compound in Baghdad, naked, sores dotted all over our bodies, feet peeling, watching our suits burn. Later, they lined us up naked and washed us off with pressure washers.
Yes, a woman is as capable as a man of pulling a trigger. But the goal of our nation’s military is to fight and win wars. Before taking the drastic step of allowing women to serve in combat units, has the government considered whether introducing women into the above-described situation would have made my unit more or less combat effective?
Societal norms are a reality, and their maintenance is important to most members of a society. It is humiliating enough to relieve yourself in front of your male comrades; one can only imagine the humiliation of being forced to relieve yourself in front of the opposite sex.
Despite the professionalism of Marines, it would be distracting and potentially traumatizing to be forced to be naked in front of the opposite sex, particularly when your body has been ravaged by lack of hygiene. In the reverse, it would be painful to witness a member of the opposite sex in such an uncomfortable and awkward position. Combat effectiveness is based in large part on unit cohesion. The relationships among members of a unit can be irreparably harmed by forcing them to violate societal norms.
Understand, this woman is an outstanding officer and a tough, proven leader. From the mental-toughness perspective, I would have no issue serving in combat with her, but she's not even in the neighborhood when it comes to the necessary physical strength and that's a no-go.
I suspect there are very effective applications
for women in the Special Services.
I just don't see front line combat being one of them
I understand the Israelis see this differently
The announcement I heard the other day (which could certainly be wrong) was the the inclusion of women did not include Special Forces and similar units.
You’re right, about 99% of the time a woman soldier is not going to have the strength of a man, which is vital. And I don’t even like the thought or term of ‘woman soldier’.
I can see a few exceptional cases where having highly trained women of Muslim or Arab descent could be useful for infiltrating different environments, largely for information. But that doesn’t mean they should be tossed in willy-nilly with regular male special forces.
So you swim across naked, pushing the raft, then shake off the water and dry yourself down with your hands and the tops of your socks, then dress very fast.
In subfreezind weather, bare ass naked, just after emerging from a freezing cold lake or river.
I'd like to see some girls....never mind.
Not a good idea.
In Football they call this “Sending in the second string”. (and the first string is just fine!! WTF !!)
A point that bears mentioning here is that whether or not women can compete with men in the regular combat military or the Special Ops forces is totally irrelevant. The stated justification for women in combat is to help grease the path to flag rank, so women can share equally in power. That’s the end game, equality of power.
Any means that furthers that goal is fair game. If it means abandoning standards for the general military, and even abandoning qualification standards for admission to the SEAL, SF, or Delta communities, then it will be done. Actual combat doesn’t really matter, just getting the combat ticket punched as one more step on the road to flag rank. We’ll live in a world of female admirals and generals, combat tickets punched, who know nothing of combat. But that won’t matter. This is the revenge of Hillary and Pat Schroeder on men for the sin of existing.
Liberals seem to think that everybody is exactly equal, and that differences are due to discrimination.
But they are the first to squawk when someone suggests mixed-sex teams (except in bowling).
Liberals will never get their heads around this idea, but there are differences, and those differences are good. People have different abilities and talents, so that they can complement each other.
Someone once told me a female paratroop would whistle on the way down......
If the president and the Pentagon want women in combat then the they should also make women subject to the draft, just like young men. Just like men, no registration would mean no student loans, no government employment, as well as the potential for fines and jail time. Now that would be equality.