Key dividing lines on guns

Milwaukee J-S ^ | 20 jan 2013 | Craig Gilbert

[rellimpank]

When Wisconsinites were polled last year about a new state law allowing possession of concealed weapons, most men supported it.

But women were overwhelmingly opposed.

In fact no other issue in Marquette Law School’s broad and frequent polling of Wisconsin voters last year so divided the sexes -- not Medicare, “Obamacare,” gay marriage, taxes, school funding, collective bargaining, recalls, mining, defense spending, abortion or immigration.

In one January 2012 poll, the gender gap on “concealed-carry” was a massive 27 points (59% approval among men, 32% among women).

This is a look at two key fault lines in public opinion about guns. Gender is one. Partisanship is the other.

Democrats and Republicans have drifted far apart on guns, as they have on so many issues. That poses a huge obstacle to getting legislation passed in a period of divided government, since there is so little common ground between the parties.

The gender gap on guns also has big political implications. Just as the Democratic Party may have been hurt with male voters in the past by supporting gun control, the Republican Party risks compounding its problems with female voters in taking a hard line against gun restrictions.

[rellimpank]

---more objective than most J-S stuff--

[rellimpank]

—ping—

[Paladin2]

Well, we just as well should change the party names:

GOP --> Man's Party

'Rat Party (other than the Party Party and the Crook's Party) ---> Party for Wusses.

[Flintlock]

Yah, yeah, yeah.
Pardon me, but I’ve heard all this BS before.
INSTEAD OF splitting us up into groups, why not try TO PERSUADE the opposition to our point of view?

I mean—we ARE RIGHT, aren’t we?
So—let’s DOT IT already.

[Brooklyn Attitude]

Constitutional rights are not dependent on poll numbers. Remember that the next time some propaganda agency tries to use some made up poll numbers to justify infinging them.

[Little Ray]

More to the point, we never should have given women the vote...

[muawiyah]

Women are heavily overrepresented in poll results ~ that's not because someone pre-loads a bunch of women into the sample selection, but because all that needs to happen is have more women answer the pollster's calls.

And they do.

You can't trust any polls ~ not even product surveys these days. The problem is the average poll gets only a 9% response. That situation leaves them all open to manipulation by conscious decision or happenstance.

That 9% response rate means that if you call 100 people, 9 end up answering the questions. Each responding individual is then worth a full 11% of the poll response, not a simple 1%.

A small group of 5% of the total population, that always responds to polls, knowing what's going on, can misrepesent it's minority opinion as constituting 55% of opinion.

Gays can make it look like gay marriage is highly popular, yet actual votes show that idea being rejected in most of the country. Abortion rights advocates can make it seem that nearly half the nation prefers abortion to birth. Mormons can mke it seem that Romney is going to sweep in on a landslide!

It's entirely possible electric vehicles, HP tablets, gun controls and a wide variety of other failing products and policies have benefited for a time from such distortions in the traditional polling systems.

So, let me say this about that, print is dead, polls are dead!

[Kozak]

The fatal flaw in your argument is the assumption that the other side is open to logic and argument on this issue. They aren’t. It’s all emotion..

[Little Ray]

They’re not persuadable. They have more to gain by banning firearms than they do by being “right.”

[KeyLargo]

Thousands join pro-gun rallies in state capitals

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/01/19/pro-gun-rallies/1847739/

[Texas Fossil]

Dividing line?

Pretty simple:

"Free Men need not ask permission" ~TF

And a child can understand this:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

[TexasRedeye]

But women were overwhelmingly opposed.

Obviously, they did not poll my wife who got her renewed Concealed Carry license in the mail yesterday!

[Mechanicos]

Don’t believe it. They want women to think they are not socially acceptable if they are pro-gun. Its just Psych games. Its aimed at women who may be considering the issue but worry what their friends will think. All one has to do is look at the massive number of women buying guns and taking CCW classes. ... can’t let a victim class get off the plantation ya know.

[Obadiah]

Like many other dinosaur media types, this paper has been constantly fanning the flames of gun control. These papers fan every election into a white-hot debate. As a result, they get millions more “hits” and their revenue goes up.

Clearly, now they are using the gun debate as they are putting out gun articles EVERY DAY, sometimes, like today, more than one article per day. Again, they are intentionally fanning the flames of debate so they gin up their hits and get more people to post on their site. This raises revenue for them.

I, for one, am sick and tired of taking their bait and being used. I refuse to click on gun articles in the corrupt MSM to help them! Obama presented his 23 bureaucratic executive orders, multiple political leaders said gun control legislation is dead, so until something of substance occurs we all ought to stop allowing the corrupt MSM to manipulate us. I'm done.

[trebb]

Yah, yeah, yeah. Pardon me, but I’ve heard all this BS before. INSTEAD OF splitting us up into groups, why not try TO PERSUADE the opposition to our point of view? I mean—we ARE RIGHT, aren’t we? So—let’s DOT IT already.

It would be like trying to persuade someone who doesn't believe a .223 rifle was used in the school killing, that it was in fact used. Hard to argue/persuade a point with someone who refuses to listen.

[MasterGunner01]

One thing you cannot do is convince a true believer gun grabber of their error. To change their minds, they have to be mugged by reality and even then, some are in such deep denial that this will not awaken them to the danger of a government run amok. They cannot understand the threat of a government where the rule of law is subverted to the rule of men.

For all the gun grabbers they need it spelled out to them short and sweet: If you come to confiscate American’s guns, the armed Americans will kill you.

[Beagle8U]

“More to the point, we never should have given women the vote...”

Ding Ding Ding! No more calls folks, We have a winner!

[Ellendra]

I had a job interview about a month ago that was conducted by 3 women. Since the job I was interviewing for would involve checking other people's weapons in and out of secure lockup, I found a way to sneak in the phrase “...and I have proof that I'm able to handle firearms safely” and showed them my CCL. At first all 3 women were taken aback, and couldn't understand why I'd ever want to carry a gun. Within 5 minutes, I had explained my position well enough that they were actually telling each other what a good idea that was, and that maybe they should look into getting one!

People's opinions are rarely changed by slogans. But honest, non-confrontational conversations are another matter.

(PS; In case anyone was wondering, the job I was interviewing for was Evidence Clerk at the county sheriff’s office.)

[angry elephant]

Not only women but non property owners.

I find it sickeningly ironic that women and blacks are the groups who most recently in history were allowed to own guns under the 2nd Amendment, and they seem to be the groups most willing to give up that right.

Probably all who want to give up their 2nd Amendment rights should have to give up all their civil rights.

[Gandalf_The_Gray]

The Colt revolver was know as the "equalizer" for a reason. Women are coming around to that point of view.

Regards,
GtG