Posted on 01/14/2013 8:51:31 PM PST by SeekAndFind
What's the most interesting part of this? That he's reaching out to touch a third-rail issue, or that he's ducking behind one of his biggest rivals for the 2016 nomination to do it?
Go figure that a guy who was part of a ticket that lost by nearly 50 points among Latinos is eager to rehab on immigration:
Senator Rubio is exactly right on the need to fix our broken immigration system. I support the principles he’s outlined: modernization of our immigration laws; stronger security to curb illegal immigration; and respect for the rule of law in addressing the complex challenge of the undocumented population. Our future depends on an immigration system that works.
He's not just paying lip service to the issue. Dem Rep. Luis Gutierrez, who once said that his only loyalty is to the immigrant community, met with Ryan last month to talk immigration and had encouraging things to say:
“What we did was just kind of catch up,” Gutierrez told me. Ryan and Gutierrez decided they want to “explore opportunities to work together.” Gutierrez, one of the House leaders on immigration issues — who has kept constant pressure on President Barack Obama to do more — is crossing the aisle as Republicans need very much to woo the fast growing number of Hispanic voters — who in large part rejected the Romney/Ryan ticket…
Not well known, Gutierrez noted, is that he and Ryan share some history: In 2005, Ryan was a co-sponsor of bipartisan and bi-cameral comprehensive immigration reform legislation carried in the House by Gutierrez and Rep. Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.). “It wasn’t like it was a long line of Republicans supporting it. He’s always supported immigration reform,” Gutierrez said.
The inspiration for Ryan’s Facebook post is the glowing WSJ piece over the weekend heralding Rubio’s “charge up the middle” on immigration. But Mark Krikorian’s right: There’s little difference between Rubio’s basic principles for reform and the principles laid out by the White House in that recent NYT piece about their big upcoming push for an immigration bill. Here’s Rubio:
Politically hardest is the question of the up to 12 million illegals currently here. Mr. Rubio’s proposal allows for adults who overstayed their visa or sneaked in to come into the open.
“Here’s how I envision it,” he says. “They would have to come forward. They would have to undergo a background check.” Anyone who committed a serious crime would be deported. “They would be fingerprinted,” he continues. “They would have to pay a fine, pay back taxes, maybe even do community service. They would have to prove they’ve been here for an extended period of time. They understand some English and are assimilated. Then most of them would get legal status and be allowed to stay in this country.”
Legal status could lead to citizenship eventually, although Rubio doesn’t specify how long eventually might be. Now here’s the White House plan:
The White House will argue that its solution for illegal immigrants is not an amnesty, as many critics insist, because it would include fines, the payment of back taxes and other hurdles for illegal immigrants who would obtain legal status, the officials said.
The president’s plan would also impose nationwide verification of legal status for all newly hired workers; add visas to relieve backlogs and allow highly skilled immigrants to stay; and create some form of guest-worker program to bring in low-wage immigrants in the future.
As I recall, the bills championed by Bush and McCain six years ago also had provisions about fines, back taxes, etc. Any comprehensive plan has to: An unconditional amnesty would be too politically toxic to pass, but so would a bill that relegated illegals to perpetual second-class status by categorically refusing to grant eventual citizenship to them. Whatever ends up passing Congress will have a multi-step amnesty as part of it, which should be perfectly fine with Democrats. If they need to wait a few years for all of those new votes to show up at the polls, that’s okay; if they can get a bill passed and then chip away at it with court challenges in order to speed up the citizenship process, even better. The interesting thing here is why Ryan’s so eager to hug Rubio on it. I assume it’s because it’s arguably the least risky move he can make ahead of 2016. If he comes out strong for “enforcement first” and rejects any amnesty talk until there have been measurable improvements in border security, he’ll be hammered for compounding the GOP’s problems with Latinos, which makes him theoretically unviable in the general election. If he does the opposite and emerges on Rubio’s left by pushing a less conditional amnesty, now he’s suddenly vulnerable in the primary as a RINO. He knows that Rubio’s destined to be the Republican face of whatever happens in Congress and he also knows that conservatives will tread lightly in criticizing Rubio for whatever position he ends up taking lest they slip even further with Latinos in 2016, so Ryan’s doing the prudent thing — letting Rubio serve as lightning rod while he signals that he’s at least as open-minded and reformist on this issue as his rival is.
Would this be the same Paul Ryan who couldn’t carry his own state in the Presidential election and who supported Obama’s massive tax increase just a couple of weeks ago?
I guess these idiots don’t care that Hispanics and Asians voted for Obama by 70%. So the more of these immigrants you get, the more votes the Democrats get.
Ann Coulter says that among Asians here the “Orientals” such as Koreans and Chinese did vote Republicans. While India/Pakistani type Asians vote Democrat
Illegals really don’t care about US Citizenship. What they really want is legal residency so they can work any job and dispossess Americans from these jobs. Also they can’t get deported then and will drop tons of babies to seal the deal and suck off welfare -—NOW LEGALLY!!! Legal welfare, legal section 8, legal food stamps etc etc
yep and even quite a few FReepers here will say that. mike_9958 and artcore come to mind as well as others here that seem to favor the RINOs like Boehner and McConnel and throw in the cavers Ryan and Rubio to the mix.
Gutless RINO swine is more like it.
I have a feeling he is buying into the “I have to move to the left to be relevant in order to get elected in 2016” The same kind of sickness that affects every RINO. Same kind of sickness that affects even some FReepers here.
There is a subtle difference between RINOs and Democrats mainly the label they stand behind and that RINOs are pretending to be something they are not. So I have less respect for RINOs than Democrats. At least Democrats stand for what they believe in, however misguided and idiotic that is.
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Mexico and the Third World are pushing north at a furious pace----visions of foreign aid tax dollars dancing in their heads. These are more of their Fifth Column pressure groups acting on orders from their homelands.
The Mexican government adopts one, very smooth, tone when speaking to its patsies in America---vote-crazed US pols---- and another, very militant, tone when speaking to its own people about its ruthlessness in pursuing its own national interest at the expense of ours.
As long as vote-crazed politicans continue to suck-up to hyphenates to get re/elected, this scam will continue.
We have a foreign government, Mexico, that continually and relentlesly meddles in the intenal affairs of the U.S. and BOTH political parties and ALL three branches of our government enable and acively participate with Mexico in the process. Mexico, however, would NEVER cede it’s sovereignty to the U.S. in such a mannner - but the sure don’t mind taking our foreign aid dollars. Mexico is a giant leech, sucking us dry.
The Democrats attract Hispanics by threatening them, saying the Republicans hate them. This costs the Democrats little or nothing. But the Republicans use the same failed techniques of actually doing things to help, at great expense and internal dissension.
Let us compare these things to what happened to blacks in America.
The Republicans fought a war against the Democrats to free the slaves. The Republicans forcibly put blacks in positions of authority in the South after the war, kicking Democrats out of those offices. The Republicans fought against Democrat Jim Crow laws. The Republicans fought against Democrat segregation. The Republicans forced through Civil Rights law despite fierce Democrat opposition. Even recently, “George W. Bush has done more for Africa than all previous US presidents combined.” — according to Bono, who is an Africanophile.
And the end result of this? Blacks are kept by Democrats in a state of ignorance, dependency, and illegitimacy. And they vote for Democrats by 96% margins. And they think that Republicans hate them.
So the Republicans have failed so miserably to attract blacks that they might as well give up and allow blacks to remain a Democrat bloc until they self-exterminate, with Democrat help. Which they are well on the way to doing.
But what does this mean about Hispanics?
Simply put, all that the Republicans did for blacks failed, so they should not do these things for Hispanics.
A better example is eastern Europe. While part of the Warsaw Pact, under Soviet Domination, there was little the US could do to help them. But despite large amounts of anti-American propaganda dumped on them by the Russians, the US did little things that were hugely appreciated by them.
When the Soviet Union and the eastern European communist governments finally collapsed, for decades the eastern European nations saw the US as their dearest friend in the world.
While the parallels are inexact between eastern Europeans and Hispanics, there are some important lessons to be learned there by the Republican party.
For if it does as it did with black Americans, Hispanics will be lost to the Republicans as well.
“Is Mexico our friend or foe?”
Mexico has NEVER been our friend! Today’s proof....
Mexicans sign petition for U.S. gun control
http://www.whptv.com/news/world/story/Mexicans-sign-petition-for-U-S-gun-control/c3oLDyvpy0mJUgXuDEBSyw.cspx?rss=53
“We need to punish those who hire illegal aliens to the point that they are no longer financially rewarding for the employers or the illegal aliens.”
Not going to work! Big business, small business, and every other business does not want to fire the cheap help. Their excuse is they do not want to act as immigration police. And it then follows that congress will do nothing because they are in the pocket of campaign donors.
Therefore your whole point of view falls apart. Ask yourself if there was an easy solution, why was not done already? Accept reality on the ground or forever sink in the quicksand of dreams.
Of course I do. Karl Rove has told me ... personally BTW ... that Latinos are "The Republicans of the Future." Isn't that just wonderful?
I feel it in my bones, dude. The second the brown-butted border bounders are legitimized they will mob registration sites and all become Republicans. They will drop off their Food Stamp cards, their phony and real DLs, (multiple copies of each, because as you know due to the vagaries of Latino culture, one can use anyone of four-five names,)and the multiple welfare cards, the health care cards, the matriculas consulares .... they will be as autumn leaves.
I always wanted to live in a Latin American country ... and soon we will have one, right here. Maybe not a classy one, like Chile. Be more like Bolivia or Guatemala.
I wish Makkin had fired that troll Allahpumdit before she sold out.
It’s a Rhino website that is literally spitting out the Bonner GOP talking points .
Paul Ryan is much like his late mentor Jack Kemp, all talk and no walk.
Americans have the foreign government of Mexico (and its co-conspirators in the Third World), that continually and relentlesly meddle in the internal affairs of the US----and BOTH vote-crazed political parties----- and ALL three branches of our government---- enable and actively participate in the process. Mexico, however, would NEVER cede it’s sovereignty to the US - but they sure don’t mind taking our foreign aid dollars. Mexico is a giant leech, sucking us dry.
This is unprecedented---a two-bit foreign govt aiding and abetting in undermining the constitutional freedoms of Americans and subverting the national security of a sovereign govt.
Americans have no govt defending their interersts----but every invader on our shores has TWO govts defending their interests---(1) vote-crazed pols in our govt, and, (2) Mexico (and Third World co-conspirators egging on the rest of the hyphenate invaders).
There's plenty of collusion and conspiracy going on and lots of secrecy. This must be stopped.
The Founders escaped foreign domination and structured the new American govt with safeguards to keep Americans free and safe from foreign domination.
All of the laws and legal measures are there but they are not being used.
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