Posted on 01/03/2013 9:09:24 PM PST by grundle
BELLEVILLE, Ill. (KMOX) – Belleville police chief Bill Clay is ordering his officers to get their pancakes from anywhere but Denny’s, calling the restaurant “political stupidness.”
The new orders come after a New Year’s Day clash between five detectives and one Denny’s manager.
The department says the detectives were out of uniform but wearing their badges, when manager David Rice asked them to either leave or put their guns in their vehicle.
Rice, told the detectives that one of their weapons, specifically a female detective’s gun, was making another diner feel uncomfortable.
As the officers were leaving, without their food, General Manager Michael Van walked up and corrected the manager and said it was fine for them to stay, but the officers said it would be too awkward and they left.
Denny’s corporate office has released an apology saying, “Denny’s policy permits law enforcement officials to carry their firearms in the restaurant and we regret any misunderstanding.”
An employee at the Belleville Denny’s didn’t want to talk about the confrontation to KMOX, but some Denny’s customers said the presence of police and their guns was not an issue.
Police have legal authority to carry weapons anywhere while on duty? Like in my house? Not if I refuse them entry, and in the absence of probable cause or the sort of “exigent circumstances” that judges are constantly expanding. Restaurants reserve the right to refuse service at their discretion, which derives from freedom of association and private property rights. Cops, onduty or not, possess no special right to service.
This is pointless chatter, by the way, as you are responding to my post about the 2nd amendment. Police privilege is another matter entirely.
Bad move, dennys. Dunkin donuts would never do that.
I predict tickets. Lot’s of tickets...
If their badge is exposed they can carry openly, on duty, off duty or plain clothes. thats the way it was with my department.
“I’ll have the Reginald Denny Headslam Breakfast, please”
These were detectives not uniformed police officers. I have never seen a detective carry their weapon openly. Only one detective in this group had the weapon showing — and it was a she who probably wanted to show her macho. None of the other detectives had their weapons showing.
This Dennys is two blocks from the police station. Surely the police chief has a policy that covers display of weapons by non-uniformed officers aka detectives when in public establishments.
The fact that the police chief here referred to the badges on the belt or around the neck as some kind of justification for displaying their weapons shows that he’s trying to stretch the meaning of “uniformed officer” to cover plain clothes detectives — but it won’t work.
Badges on belts that cannot be seen or hanging around the neck that can be tucked into the shirt don’t make you a uniformed officer.
1. A Denny's manager claimed that the presence of the armed police officers were making his customers uncomfortable.
2. The Denny's general manager later claimed that most of the customers weren't uncomfortable with the presence of armed police officers.
So, my question is - how much time did it take the general manger to fire his subordinate? Or, was the subordinate one of America's numerous “protected sub-species” who can not be fired no matter how bad their individual performance is?
But that's part of the problem, isn't it? We now live in a society where men are no longer men, but instead sniveling, feminized little quislings who tremble and squeal at the sight of a gun. So everyone is expected to go to any length to nursemaid and humor these idiots.
I no longer recognize this country; it's become an alien landscape.
Indeed. If Denny's has a policy of forbidding firearms, that should apply to police as well, unless they are present in an official capacity. Reason enough to avoid Denny's if that is the case. I'll have to check out a local resturaunt, and see if they are posted. If they aren't, then likely this is just a case of an idiot libtard exceeding his/her authority.
I’d forgotten that ad until you mentioned it. That was a good one. I strongly suspect this entire incident is the result of a libtard with more authority than brains making trouble for the entire company.
Is it required for a detective to conceal her sidearm?
Have you ever seen a plain clothes detective wearing his weapon openly???
“The cop said “You’ve never given me a free one because I don’t accept them.” Then he wrote her a ticket.”
Well, there is always that 10% who don’t get the memo. :-)
Yep
All I want is maybe two eggs over easy with some crisp hash browns and some bacon. Hold the toast - my wife says cause toast=carbs=hash browns. ;-(
Still, if I can't carry, I am not going there. Just so you know. One less customer.
Plain clothed police generally conceal carry their guns — after all that’s the whole purpose of being a “plain clothes policeman”. It’s not something that you have to compel them to do. It’s something they are more than happy to do. If they carry openly it defeats the purpose of the plain clothes.
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