Murder rate in New York City hits a record low with 414 homicides in 2012

NEW YORK DAILY NEWS ^ | FRIDAY, DECEMBER 28, 2012 | MATTHEW LYSIAK AND JOE KEMP

[nickcarraway]

The murder rate in the city plunged to a record low this year

[Ajnin]

Don’t count 20% of killings and badda boom, badda bing you have 20 % less murders.

[Olog-hai]

Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said that the drop in murders and shootings stem from a wide range of strategies that include deploying more officers in crime-ridden areas and the controversial stop-and-frisk tactic. “We’re taking 8,000 weapons annually out of the hands of people we stop, 800 of them illegal guns,” Kelly said. Guns are the leading cause of murders in the city this year, killing 237 people. …

What, stop-and-frisk is saving lives? Shirley you can’t be serious . . .

O Captain Obvious! My Captain Obvious! our fearful trip is done;
The ship has weather’d every rack, the prize we sought is won;
The port is near, the bells I hear, the people all exulting,
While follow eyes the steady keel, the vessel grim and daring:
But O heart! heart! heart!
O the bleeding drops of red,
Where on the deck Captain Obvious lies,
Fallen cold and dead. …

(Apologies to Walt Whitman and his estate)

[TigersEye]

Clearly 32 oz. sodas were causing people to kill each other.

[ChiMark]

Chicago has less than a third population of NYC but 20% higher in murders.

The Windy City takes top honors.

[Slings and Arrows]

How much has the average age of the population in NYC increased over the period of the study?

[Moonman62]

Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said that the drop in murders and shootings stem from a wide range of strategies that include deploying more officers in crime-ridden areas and the controversial stop-and-frisk tactic. “We’re taking 8,000 weapons annually out of the hands of people we stop, 800 of them illegal guns,” Kelly said. Guns are the leading cause of murders in the city this year, killing 237 people.

First, guns don't commit murder. Second, they make it look like this stupid and misleading statement is a quote from Kelly.

[Moonman62]

How much has the average age of the population in NYC increased over the period of the study?

I don't know, but the writers seem to mix up "rate" and absolute numbers all over the article.

[Slings and Arrows]

I’m not surprised. They must be taking a break from confusing correlation with causation.

[Dilbert56]

• Thank you Rudy Guliani for believing NYC could be made safe. Some were calling the city "ungovernable" before he came in. Let's all remember the crap Rudy took from civil libertarians and "activists" for addressing NYC's problems. 25 years ago NYC was a hell-hole where we would enter, conduct our business and get the hell out ASAP. Now, Now, Manhattan at least is one of the safest places.
• Most of the murders are gang and/or drug-related. When a truly innocent person is murdered it is news.
• In Manhattan, where my daughters live, the crime rate appears to be held down by a simply overwhelming police presence. You can't walk 50 yards in Times Square without passing multiple police officers. Anyone contemplating a crime in Manhattan would have to work around surveillance cameras that seem to be everywhere.

[Sooth2222]

"“We’re taking 8,000 weapons annually out of the hands of people we stop, 800 of them illegal guns,” Kelly said. Guns are the leading cause of murders in the city this year, killing 237 people."

Since all guns are illegal in NYC, the other 7,200 weapons include 32 ounce sodas and subway trains?

[Makana]

If banning subway trains can save just one life, it’s worth it. /S

[exnavy]

Amazing that this is news.

[kenmcg]

Too bad one can’t take a subway without fearing getting thrown onto the tracks.

[jmaroneps37]

An important factor in this is that in New York State when you are sentenced to prison you stay there. Very often felons do not get out even one day before their sentence is up. Moreover because of this many of these scumbags stay up state when they do get out. They don’t want any part of the cops in New York City. Of course this means more crime in the small towns up state around the prisons, but that is another problem.

[driftless2]

"held down by police presence"

One of the things I remember reading before Giuliani became mayor was the lib belief that, despite common sense dictating it would, more police would not deter criminals. Obviously, like virtually every other lib belief, it was proven wrong.

The same people said Israel building a fence around the country would not deter terrorist attacks. It cut them dramatically. Why some people still believe anything that comes out of a liberal piehole is beyond me.

[Bruce Kurtz]

Not only does the felon stay up here, but they bring family and friends.

[kearnyirish2]

“Since all guns are illegal in NYC, the other 7,200 weapons include 32 ounce sodas and subway trains?”

You’re leaving out the billions that die every year in NYC from trans-fats and salt.

NYC should always be viewed as a place where you could be pushed in front of a train by some worthless piece of human excrement; it isn’t even news.

[cicero2k]

Dittos on the daughters in large cities. Same daughters wonder why we did not spend more time in the city when they grew up. Sure, they heard me say how uncomfortable the city was in my time, but they can not appreciate it.

[capt B]

It all began with Giuliani, OW Wilsons “Broken Window” theory, AND LONGER SENTENCES (put the bad guys away and crime goes down) Duh