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British violent crime 4 times that in the US.
The Telegraph ^ | 02 Jul 2009 | Richard Edwards

Posted on 12/20/2012 1:24:36 PM PST by Fido969

... there are over 2,000 crimes recorded per 100,000 population in the UK, making it the most violent place in Europe.

By comparison, America has an estimated rate of 466 violent crimes per 100,000 population.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: 2a; banglist; britain; cnn; crime; crimerate; guncontrol; murder; murderrate; piersmorgan; secondamendment; uk; violence
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Piers Morgan exploded at Pratt because Pratt was about to pwn him.

The next time a politician suggests British-style regulations in the US, they should know about this.

Also, should CNN grant "equal time" by publicizing this fact?

1 posted on 12/20/2012 1:24:43 PM PST by Fido969
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To: Fido969
Any reputable J-School would show students that "interview" by Piers Morgan and take it apart piece by piece as a perfect object lesson for how self-respecting "journalists" will NOT behave.

But, of course, no J-school will do such thing -- because Piers was performing his proper function: shilling for Big Government.

2 posted on 12/20/2012 1:29:23 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Republicans have made themselves useless, toothless, and clueless.)
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To: Fido969
The UK is working on it.

UK moving towards ban of sharp, pointy chef knives. A team from West Middlesex University Hospital said violent crime is on the increase - and kitchen knives are used in as many as half of all stabbings.

They argued many assaults are committed impulsively, prompted by alcohol and drugs, and a kitchen knife often makes an all too available weapon.

The research is published in the British Medical Journal. The researchers said there was no reason for long pointed knives to be publicly available at all.

They consulted 10 top chefs from around the UK, and found such knives have little practical value in the kitchen. None of the chefs felt such knives were essential, since the point of a short blade was just as useful when a sharp end was needed.

The researchers said a short pointed knife may cause a substantial superficial wound if used in an assault - but is unlikely to penetrate to inner organs.

3 posted on 12/20/2012 1:34:36 PM PST by KeyLargo
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To: Fido969

Impossible. Great Britain has banned guns. Just like Chicago.


4 posted on 12/20/2012 1:36:09 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Fido969

That bit of news should make Piers cry in his pork pie.


5 posted on 12/20/2012 1:37:02 PM PST by JPG (Stay strong.)
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To: Fido969

Dam is this correct? Because reading this over not just the UK but all of gun control Europe is FAR MORE VIOLENCE then the “gun crazy” US


6 posted on 12/20/2012 1:37:08 PM PST by tophat9000 (American is Barack Oaken)
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To: Fido969

That story is from 2009. Got any updates from 2010/2011?


7 posted on 12/20/2012 1:40:11 PM PST by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
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To: Fido969

The “crime rate” in the US is often extrapolated from the murder rate, which is indeed much higher than in most Western countries.

But as you point out here, violence is more than murder.

The results are not necessarily apples to apples, as jurisdictions define and categorize crimes differently. That’s the advantage of murder as a category, the guy’s either dead or he isn’t.

I wish I could remember where I saw it, but it was about five years ago. It pointed out that 20 years earlier, which would have been near the peak of the US crime wave, a person was 8x more likely to be mugged in London than NYC. But at the time of the writing, UK crime had jumped a bunch, and NYC crime was way down. You were then 8x more likely to be mugged in London than NYC.


8 posted on 12/20/2012 1:40:48 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: tophat9000

Its pretty much a given that all violent crime rates, with the singular exception of murder, are higher in Britain than they are in the states, and it has been that way for years.

Gun crimes are fairly low though, and I have to say that that is certainly due to restrictive gun regulations, any rise in gun crime is due to primarily social factors (declining morality, media sensationalism etc), rather than the availability of guns.

Furthermore, whilst restricted access to guns has undeniably led to less homicidal gun rampages by crazies, but it is far less quantifiable to assess how many murders/other violent crimes would have been prevented by guns. Our violent crime rates would probably be a lot less overall as in the States if more people had guns, but on the other hand, we’d probably be seeing a lot more schools, shopping centres, cinemas etc being shot up.

That is my impartial observation on the situation.


9 posted on 12/20/2012 1:48:28 PM PST by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: Sherman Logan

The murder rate is higher. But one interesting thing is that if someone here justifiably shoots another person in self defense, it is first classified as a “homicide”. It is only after a ruling by the authority (usually a district attorney) that the homicide is ruled “justifiable”.

A lot of organizations (including the UN) use the first number , not the second.


10 posted on 12/20/2012 1:56:50 PM PST by Sigurdrifta
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"Its pretty much a given that all violent crime rates, with the singular exception of murder..."

Is that "total murder" or "firearms murder". The antis obfuscate the issue by comparing only "firearms murder", leaving out murder by other means.

11 posted on 12/20/2012 1:59:41 PM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: KeyLargo

These people are insane.


12 posted on 12/20/2012 2:04:49 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Sherman Logan

Obvious typo in first reference. 25 years ago or so you were 8x more likely to get mugged in NYC than London. 20 years later it was the reverse.


13 posted on 12/20/2012 2:09:45 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan
Your churches, schools and shopping centers would be getting shot up at a rate above random if you were so stupid as to declare them GUN FREE ZONES.

All that does is attract the crazies to use them as shooting galleries.

Now, if your choices are that a few should get shot rather than many should be maimed for life, I suppose you might try restricting firearms from possession by the whole body of the people.

I guess Americans prefer to not be maimed by punks. I sure don't want to be maimed ~ and they are better off dead if they try. They won't be back.

14 posted on 12/20/2012 2:19:24 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Sigurdrifta
The murder rate is higher. But one interesting thing is that if someone here justifiably shoots another person in self defense, it is first classified as a “homicide”. It is only after a ruling by the authority (usually a district attorney) that the homicide is ruled “justifiable”.

That's a good point and one reason I take issue with the attacks on Detroit as the murder capitol. Detroit does lead the nation in justifiable homicide but that because people can carry open or concealed and people are defending themselves. In fact I think you would find that a surprising number of those justifiable homicides are committed by people much older than the average thug.
15 posted on 12/20/2012 2:22:38 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Fido969

But we still got ‘em beat in murder.
The dirty secret about murder is that it substantially “red on red” with scum killing scum at no net loss to society.
Also, law-abiding gun owners dispose of a fair number of street goblins, too.


16 posted on 12/20/2012 2:34:12 PM PST by Little Ray (Get back to work. Your urban masters need their EBTs refilled.)
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The dirty little secret is that if you remove the cities with corrupt politicians, their large welfare populations and harsh gun control laws the crime rate in the U.S. is far below that of Britain and Europe.

Another dirty little secret no one will talk about. The crime rate for Americans of European descent is far lower than any comparable country in Europe.

Most of America has crime rates far below Europe with their socialist economies and harsh gun control.


17 posted on 12/20/2012 2:36:37 PM PST by detective
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To: Fido969

Since that article was from 2009, do you have any statistics that are current?


18 posted on 12/20/2012 2:42:58 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon.....)
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To: Fido969

From the article:

“More than 20 people a day were taken to hospital accident and emergency departments in England last year after being hit, kicked, scratched or bitten.” (population of England is about 53 Million)

“The UK had a greater number of murders in 2007 than any other EU country – 927”
2007 Homicides, Chicago & NYC - 923

http://projects.nytimes.com/crime/homicides/map
New York City homicides 2007 - 478

http://www.progressillinois.com/posts/content/2012/08/23/what-make-chicago-murder-rate
Chicago homicides 2007 - 445 (1974 - 970!)

UK Population: 62,641,000 (2011) World Bank
NYC & Chicago Population: 10,951,030

Chicago Population: 2,707,120 (2011) http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/17/1714000.html
NYC Population: 8,244,910 (2011) http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/36/3651000.html

NYC Violent Crime
-————— 1990 - 1995 - 1998 - 2001 - 2011
Murder -—— 2,262 - 1,181 - 629 - 649 - 515
Fel. Assault 44,122 35,528 28,848 23,020 18,600
———————————————Total 21,126

http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/downloads/pdf/crime_statistics/cscity.pdf

Over 21,000 felonious assaults or murders in NYC in 2011 vs about 7300 in England last year “after being hit, kicked, scratched or bitten.”

England has 6 times the population of NYC and 1/3 the chance of “being hit, kicked, scratched or bitten” vs murdered or feloniously assaulted in NYC.


19 posted on 12/20/2012 2:43:58 PM PST by BwanaNdege ("To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize"- Voltaire)
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The researchers said a short pointed knife may cause a substantial superficial wound if used in an assault - but is unlikely to penetrate to inner organs.

Perhaps, but....


20 posted on 12/20/2012 2:49:07 PM PST by caveat emptor (Scripto ergo sum)
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