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Five-Point Action Plan for President Obama to Reduce Violence by the Mentally Ill
National Review Online ^ | December 17, 2012 | D. J. Jaffe

Posted on 12/17/2012 12:19:31 PM PST by neverdem

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It sounds good, but the left will probably try to abuse these proposals. It's not hard to conceive.
1 posted on 12/17/2012 12:19:40 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

The gov’t should get rid of the mental illness known as Liberalism.


2 posted on 12/17/2012 12:21:32 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: neverdem

These are great ideas....if they can be applied to the first individual as a public trial: The President of the United States


3 posted on 12/17/2012 12:21:39 PM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: neverdem

were suppose to get this from someone who has Narcissistic Personality Disorder


4 posted on 12/17/2012 12:22:47 PM PST by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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It sounds good, but the left will probably try to abuse these proposals. It's not hard to conceive.

You're right, because doing what feels good is a lot easier than doing what is good. But these proposals are very valid, especially the one about creating a HIPAA exception in the case of mentally ill adults. Since they aren't capable of making treatment decisions, family members must be included.

5 posted on 12/17/2012 12:23:25 PM PST by ArGee (Reality - what a concept.)
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To: neverdem

Is there one thing in this proposal that is constitutionally authorized?

Didn’t think so.


6 posted on 12/17/2012 12:28:29 PM PST by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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Five-Point Action Plan for President Obama to Reduce Violence by the Mentally Ill
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Point 1) Remove everyone’s freedom

Point 2) Remove everyone’s freedom

Point 3) Remove everyone’s freedom

Point 4) Remover everyone’s freedom

Point 5) Remove evryone’s freedom

And justify it all using the lowest common denominator od morality society has: give in to those who are evil, violent and insane.

Yeah that’ll work!


7 posted on 12/17/2012 12:31:19 PM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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Obama comes from Illinois, the state that put the mentally ill out on the streets in the 70s and recently attempted to shut down the State Mental Facilities due to budget shortages.


8 posted on 12/17/2012 12:34:01 PM PST by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord!)
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Wow, that was really insightful analysis.

Not only are you clearly wrong, your attitude is part of the reason why Constitutional issues are rarely given the serious discussion they deserve.

9 posted on 12/17/2012 12:34:25 PM PST by wideawake
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What we have is not a mental illness issue, but a sin issue.


10 posted on 12/17/2012 12:35:42 PM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: neverdem

These sound good....however, I am STILL trying to figure out how that would have stopped the killings. This kid did not get his guns through buying them himself. His Mother had them. I guess parents of mentally ill parents should be banned from gun owning??? Slippery slope.


11 posted on 12/17/2012 12:36:01 PM PST by napscoordinator (GOP Candidate 2020 - "Bloomberg 2020 - We vote for whatever crap the GOP puts in front of us.")
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To: neverdem

Mental illness is whatever the medical “profession” says it is, and they will go along with whatever the government tells them to say it is. I don’t trust the medical establishment or the government with the diagnosis of mental illness.


12 posted on 12/17/2012 12:39:54 PM PST by I want the USA back
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"the left will probably try to abuse these proposals" ..... You mean, "Your problem is that you are insane, Winston." OBrien, `Nineteen Eightyfour'? Or the Soviets sending political dissidents away on grounds of mental instability? Possibly, but the author is right on target: This is the problem. It always comes out later that these guys were practically wearing signs around their necks: "I'm Bug-nuts Dangerous". See attached Larson cartoon. I'm not making light of this horror, just trying to make the point. The left will dismiss the point because actually addressing the problem disallows them from mau-mauing "gun control".
13 posted on 12/17/2012 12:41:46 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives. "A long train of abuses and usurpations.")
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These sound good....however, I am STILL trying to figure out how that would have stopped the killings.

If he had been in an institution where he belonged instead of out wandering the streets, this would not have happened.

That's the point.

14 posted on 12/17/2012 12:41:55 PM PST by wideawake
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To: neverdem

The ACLU won their case and then governor Ronald Reagan had to open the doors to the mental institutions. Can’t hold anyone against their will.

Adam Lanz, the Sandy Hook shooter didn’t have a history until Friday. Yes, he had run-ins at school, and no doubt, his late mother tried to help him in every way she knew how. Yet he shot her point blank FOUR times. Poor lady.

Obama and the anti-gun folks like Senator Feinstein (D-CA) are against “assault” guns, and 10 round clips. Look up “assault weapons” on Wikipedia.


15 posted on 12/17/2012 12:44:20 PM PST by oneamericanvoice (Support freedom! Support the troops! Surrender is not an option!)
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What we have is not a mental illness issue, but a sin issue.

That's a theologically bankrupt statement.

This atrocity was the work of a paranoid schizophrenic.

Are you arguing that he was a paranoid schizophrenic because he was a sinner?

Or are you arguing that his rampage was somehow divine punishment for sins?

16 posted on 12/17/2012 12:44:46 PM PST by wideawake
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Not only are you clearly wrong, your attitude is part of the reason why Constitutional issues are rarely given the serious discussion they deserve.

Gosh, maybe I have an out of date constitution which is missing the magic 'mental health care' power, or 'limitation upon patient confidentiality' power. There is every valid reason to restrict the federal government from having access to medical records, but not one in restricting a doctor from telling a patient's mother about medical issues. Privacy restrictions are upon the government, not on other parties. I can not scream that you're infringing on my first amendment right to free speech, as that contract is upon the government, not you.

But that's ok, let's continue the fiction that some vast intelligence is invested in Washington DC and that they'll come up with some solution... Oh, right, yet again, they are the problem here.

17 posted on 12/17/2012 12:52:05 PM PST by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: wideawake; Biggirl

Nope, I take biggirl to be arguing that evil is sin, and that one can be both evil and mentally ill at the same time.


18 posted on 12/17/2012 12:58:24 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: neverdem

What does “on medication” mean when people ascribe SSRIs the blame?

Does that mean they had a prescription?( that’s not the same as they’re taking their meds.)

It’s a chicken and the egg scenario. We’re they mentally ill before or after the drug was prescribed?
Were they taking their medication as prescribed?

I see the ‘rats making a 2-fer based on emotions: further advancing more socialized medicine under the guise of ‘free’ mental healthcare for all AND more restrictions on the 2nd Amendment.

Statists will try to label anyone who believes in a small federal government as “mentally ill”.


19 posted on 12/17/2012 1:03:06 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: neverdem

Excellent ideas all.


20 posted on 12/17/2012 1:04:19 PM PST by carolinablonde
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