Posted on 12/17/2012 12:19:31 PM PST by neverdem
I don’t believe Lanza was severly mentally ill. I think he was just another a dylan klebold eric harris columbine wannabe just like the virgina tech massacre guy.
that’s what I think. probably tired of living and decided to take a bunch of people with him on the way out.
When someone starts by using condescending sarcasm, you can tell that the quality of the reasoning is going to be unimpressive.
I would point out that the fifth item on the list involves the abolition of SAMHSA, which is something that even a faux Constitutionalist like Ron Paul would endorse.
Issues relating to confidentiality, as represented in item 2, speak to an issue that is of very recent "Constitutional" vintage. You wrote:
Privacy restrictions are upon the government, not on other parties.
While that's not coherent English, I take it that you are arguing that there is some kind of absolute Constitutional "right to privacy." If there is, that "right" was unknown until it emanated from the penumbras of the Warren Court in the 1970s.
The second item quite reasonably argues that if someone is going to be legally liable for the health of their dependent child, they should be allowed to know what the health status of their child actually is.
The third item discusses reducing the ability of Medicaid to provide cash incentives for "treating and streeting" mental patients. If one wants to argue that Medicaid is unconstitutional, I'm not sure why reducing Medicaid's power and scope, is somehow even more unconstitutional than Medicaid itself.
The fourth item calls for the tightening up of the definition of mental illness to focus on those who are truly mentally compromised, instead of the very broad and open-ended federal standards we have now. This again calls for a narrowing of federal power and arbitrariness and a reining in of federal overreach. I'm not sure how this is unconstitutional but the existing very broad and formless federal mandate is somehow constitutional.
And the first item, calling for a federal law to ensure public safety is kind of the point of federal legislation in the first place.
let's continue the fiction that some vast intelligence is invested in Washington DC and that they'll come up with some solution
These 5 points are not calling for intellectual gymnastics, but common sense and the reduction of the power and discretion of federal entities.
He was on Fanapt, which is a powerful anti-psychotic.
You do not give something like that to an individual who is merely irritable and rebellious.
That is not surprising that he was on those meds. But I will wait for other evidence before I say anything further.
HIPPAA prevented Adam Lanza’s mother from receiving any information regarding her sons treatment once he turned 18.
The state in which he lived, CT, does not have laws allowing for court ordered outpatient treatment and very stringent commitment standards the prevent hospitalization until harm has occurred.
Perhaps if the system didn’t make it so hard to get help, help would have been more likely to be sought and gotten.
These proposals won’t prevent future incidents 100%, but leaving things the way they are now guarantees it will happen again.
I have seen this before with a relative with schizophrenia (a VA out-patient yet) and his mother ended up having to call the police on him, fortunately no guns around the house.
When they go off their meds they become more and more delusional until they think that they are God and Satan and that the world is ending and they are a key part of it. In fact I have seen it with more than one person.
Believe me, you do not want to have to deal with that.
Jail all the Democrats in Washington?
Obama bombs 60+ children in Afganistan with a missile and no one blinks. How is this less devastating than Conn?
This story is pretty good for explaining how serotonin syndrome can happen in people taking SSRIs. I'm sorry if you don't like the NY Times, but its health & science sections were very good as long as they kept away from politics.
Complicating matters is that someone can get into almost the same trouble when they stop taking SSRIs. It's called SSRI withdrawal syndrome. It's also called SSRI discontinuation syndrome.
There should be an FR award for reasoned and logical responses to the knee-jerk posts of people who likely didn't read the original article anyway. Well-said. You deserve the award for today.
Jaffe's arguments are sound, but I think you have pointed out their Achille's Heel. "Reduction of the power and discretion of federal entities" is not easily achieved. It is my opinion that the government has reached that point where it exists only for self-perpetuation, regardless of how well it disguises that motivation via language touting the common good.
And as long as those on the right and the left continue to seek the redefinition of mental illness as "the mindset of my ideological adversary," very little progress in reining in the state is likely to occur.
I’ve had some experience with friends and extended family regarding #2. You have an adult child, a kid away at college perhaps, showing signs that would concern anyone, and you want to help. But no one will talk to you about them or share information because of HIPAA privacy.
What about the suggestion by leftist Harry Bellafonte to remove the GOP conservatives? Give Obama dictatorial power to incarcerate them?
As NYers know, AOT doesn’t go far enough—there are still too many crazy people running through Manhattan with machetes or tossing people onto subway tracks or simply pouncing on people in the streets.
Post signs prohibiting aggressive behavior by mentally unstable people. 30.06
State Sen. Trotter’s Gun Not Registered, Prosecutors Say(IL)
http://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20121206/chicago-citywide/state-sen-trotters-gun-not-registered-prosecutors-say-bond-court
I’ll take Dem’s seriously on gun control when they have to hang for the same crimes we do.
He should lose his job ,have a criminal record and be barred from public service
Anything can be abused. But these are excellent ideas.
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