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Promises on Gun Control
NY TIMES ^ | November 26, 2012

Posted on 11/26/2012 9:48:03 AM PST by SoFloFreeper

President Obama's fleeting mention of the need for stronger gun controls at a presidential debate last month was hardly the kind of forceful political statement needed to address the scourge of gun violence in this country. Even his tepid remark was considered by the nation's gun owners as a threat to take away their firearms. In what amounts to a buyers' panic, they are again ramping up gun and ammunition sales as they did four years ago, convinced that Mr. Obama intends a gun-control crackdown.

Yet in his first term, Mr. Obama did nothing to cross the gun lobby, and he actually signed legislation allowing loaded firearms to be carried in national parks. Let's hope Mr. Obama shows more courage on guns in his second term. He said during the debate that he would see "if we can get an assault weapons ban reintroduced" and that we need to look at "other sources of the violence," like "cheap handguns." Now it's time to follow through on those promises.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012; banglist; bloodoftyrants; democrats; dictator; guncontrol; guns; obama; shallnotbeinfringed; tyranny; youwillnotdisarmus
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Look for "federal fees" on ammo to increase 500%.
1 posted on 11/26/2012 9:48:20 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

Every law should be met with the question: how will this law stop the criminal misuse of guns that current laws do not?


2 posted on 11/26/2012 9:51:42 AM PST by Mikey_1962 (Obama: The Affirmative Action President.)
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It won’t of course.

Now if they were going to spend the taxes on offering free lessons to the public by conservative gun groups, first come first serve, I’d say it might be worth it.


3 posted on 11/26/2012 9:56:54 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: SoFloFreeper
Gun control....hmmm...since I retired in January, I've spent an average of 2-3 days/week at the gun range. Mainly getting acquainted with all the pistols and revolvers I've collected over the years and just doing some basic 'gun control'....my eyesight sucks and I'm shaky for an old man.

It's hard to align my progressive lenses and the targets at 25-30 feet so I've just been practicing putting as many down range hits in the main mass, and then at the head when the paper target gets so torn you can't tell where you hit. I think I could do this without my glasses now. At a pace that approaches better a shot/second, sometimes a lot better than that when I can get away with rapid fire at the range.

That's what I call gun control.

4 posted on 11/26/2012 9:57:56 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: SoFloFreeper
“...In what amounts to a buyers’ panic, they are again ramping up gun and ammunition sales as they did four years ago, convinced that Mr. Obama intends a gun-control crackdown...”

I got a phone call yesterday from the NRA, with a Wayne L. recording that was just extreme scare tactics. I think that a lot of the panic buying is being fueled by the NRA.

If ammo taxes or fees are put in place, my expectation is that the House will tie them to wildlife, hunter safety training, gun safety training in schools, and a host of things. Since I reload most of my ammo and since it is not that hard to learn, I really don't see the fed’s getting too carried away unless they want to turn reloading into the “new bootlegging.”

5 posted on 11/26/2012 10:00:58 AM PST by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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To: Mikey_1962

“Every law should be met with the question: how will this law stop the criminal misuse of guns”

That is not the goal of gun control, so it will be easy for them to lie about it.


6 posted on 11/26/2012 10:02:09 AM PST by DBrow
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To: Robert357

To SOFREEPER.........

“If ammo taxes or fees are put in place, my expectation is that the House will tie them to wildlife, hunter safety training, gun safety training in schools, and a host of things. Since I reload most of my ammo and since it is not that hard to learn, I really don’t see the fed’s getting too carried away unless they want to turn reloading into the “new bootlegging.” ...

With this “TAX and SPEND” president do you think for one minute he won’t apply a tax on ammunition or gun sales?

He will get his way by whatever means he can and an “Executive Order” WILL make it happen. His idea is, “We Don’t Need No Stinken Constitution. I won”


7 posted on 11/26/2012 10:09:40 AM PST by DaveA37
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To: SoFloFreeper

If he intends to sieze absolute power, he has only a few years left to do so. Look for an all-out assault, soon.


8 posted on 11/26/2012 10:10:10 AM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: SoFloFreeper

this and other recent stories site garbage data about the increase of “gun violence” among 10-19 yr. olds, as a reason for more gun control.

Which state’s laws currently allow handgun purchases by 10-19 yr, olds?


9 posted on 11/26/2012 10:19:54 AM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Looks like the black market for ammo is going to be tremendous.


10 posted on 11/26/2012 10:25:15 AM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: Gaffer
It's hard to align my progressive lenses and the targets at 25-30 feet so I've just been practicing putting as many down range hits in the main mass, and then at the head when the paper target gets so torn you can't tell where you hit. I think I could do this without my glasses now. At a pace that approaches better a shot/second, sometimes a lot better than that when I can get away with rapid fire at the range.

See, this is why the Constitution does not say "gun".

We have the right to keep and bear arms.

Any law limiting the keeping or bearing of any arms infringes upon those rights.

There are a lot of other weapons that might be much more effective for citizens with below average sight and steadiness.

IMHO, we should be moving towards getting rid of all legacy "gun laws", since we have always had laws against the actual crimes related to assault and murder.

I could care less if my neighbor has their own personal M1A1 Abrams tank, in fact, it would be nice to know there's one handy by just in case it's needed.

I know my dad and my uncle would be in their glory playing with one.
11 posted on 11/26/2012 10:29:13 AM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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To: Robert357

“I got a phone call yesterday from the NRA, with a Wayne L. recording that was just extreme scare tactics. I think that a lot of the panic buying is being fueled by the NRA.”

No, it is not. It is being fueled by fear of violence by gangs and the mexican cartels. Or a Chicago style situation in which the only people with guns are gangbangers. A weekend last year featured 39 shootings and 13 deaths in that great city. People don’t want this in their own backyard.

House bill 1022, btw, did require reloaders to turn in their rounds and replace them with serial numbered rounds. So yes it could become a crime to reload.

“Fast and Furious” was apparently an attempt to make the case for tighter gun control with a story line involvong cross border sales that were uncontrolled. Fortunately all of the dealers involved had lawyers to back them up from the get go. Why anyone in that faraway colonial power, Washington DC, would think higher levels of violence just beyond the border would do anything other than spur gun sales is beyond me.

That is the mindset of Congress and it is scaring people.


12 posted on 11/26/2012 10:34:06 AM PST by buffaloguy
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To: Robert357

The most powerful incentive for people to buy guns is that the general populace sees the country falling into chaos and they have no intention of becoming just one more statistic. That is what is driving the sales.


13 posted on 11/26/2012 10:38:00 AM PST by buffaloguy
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To: SoFloFreeper
President Obama's fleeting mention of the need for stronger gun controls at a presidential debate last month was hardly the kind of forceful political statement needed to address the scourge of gun violence in this country.

Gun control is not the same thing as gun violence. Today, in the US, we have over 20,000 active gun control laws on the books and there isn't a single one of them that will prevent the next gun-related crime.

Humans tend to be violent, at times and, when they have one of those times, they will grab anything they can use as a weapon. If we outlaw private gun ownership, it will be knives, baseball bats, bows and arrows, big chunks of wood, large rocks or pieces of concrete . . . . When someone is angry enough to attempt to kill another, ANY item can become a lethal weapon. If they ban guns, where will the bans ultimately stop??

Laws are created to control law abiding citizens. Criminals are also called "outlaws" because they they don't comply with the law. So, this is a continued attack on our freedoms by leftists who 1) hate the Constiution, 2) hate freedom for anyone but themselves and 3) want more control over the rest of us. Right now, the only thing that separates us from the Egyptians (and Morsi) is that we have a lot of guns and ammo and will (if necessary) use them to fend off any attempt to destroy our Second Amendment right.

Our Founders are currently apoplectic over the corrupt government that our career elected representatives have perverted the system they so carefully and thoughtfully created.

14 posted on 11/26/2012 10:41:11 AM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: SoFloFreeper

There aren’t really any “cheap handguns” out there anymore. Even the junk costs money.


15 posted on 11/26/2012 10:44:14 AM PST by ozzymandus
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To: DustyMoment

Gun control is kinda like trying to solve drunk driving by making it harder for sober people to own cars.


16 posted on 11/26/2012 10:44:49 AM PST by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: Gaffer

A thought for you to consider. I have taught a number of people to shoot and have worked on some adaptive handling for those who do not have steady hands.

One technique you may consider is to not to use your index finger as the trigger finger. Instead, use your middle / long finger. This may require a reduction in the “power” of the fire arm. The idea is that you use your index finger to point and push. This will often steady a shaking hand and will develop instinctive shooting. For some people it makes them faster and more accurate.

Your mileage may very.

Rules for a gun fight in order:
1) gun beats no gun - only carry what you WILL ACTUALLY carry. A gun left at home because it is too big does you no good.
2) hit beats no hit - .22 that hits beats a .44 mag that misses and NEVER fire a warning shot
3) accuracy beats big hole - .22 to the eye beats .45 to the arm.
4) 2 holes beat 1 hole - If it was necessary to shoot once, then shoot a second time


17 posted on 11/26/2012 10:44:59 AM PST by taxcontrol
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To: SoFloFreeper

Our daily offer to anyone so inclined remains outstanding:
Come and get them.


18 posted on 11/26/2012 10:48:56 AM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: SoFloFreeper

If Obama believes so much in gun control, he can start by setting the example by giving up his SS protective detail.


19 posted on 11/26/2012 10:50:42 AM PST by patriotsblood
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To: Gaffer

Just a note that if your eyes are a little tired it’s even more important to make sure your gun “points where you look”. Depending on what your favorite gun is you might need to doctor the grips. A lot of European style guns just naturally go “muzzle down” when you snap the gun up to fire. It’s the reason that the US military eventually added the swelled mainspring housing to the Colt 1911-—too many guys let the muzzle drop on a quick shot and the swell pushes up against the heel of the hand. Remember that if you actually need the gun it’s never going to be laying on a table in front of you at the range. It will be someplace else requiring you draw it all the while keeping your eyes on the target. Banging away at paper is good but is not all the practice you might need. When selling guns for personal defense I make people try different styles until they swear to God to me that the gun is pointing where they are looking. And that gun is almost never the one they first thot they wanted.


20 posted on 11/26/2012 11:01:58 AM PST by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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