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EU: Spain's Catalan separatists win election but punish Mas
The Telegraph ^
| 11/26/2012
Posted on 11/25/2012 11:33:00 PM PST by bruinbirdman
Edited on 11/26/2012 12:33:53 AM PST by Admin Moderator.
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Separatists in Spain's Catalonia won regional elections on Sunday but failed to get the resounding mandate they need to push convincingly for a referendum on independence.
Catalan President Artur Mas, who has implemented unpopular spending cuts in an economic crisis, had called an early election to test support for his new drive for independence for Catalonia, a wealthy region in northeastern Spain.
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To: Cronos
The patronymic suffix (meaning “the son of” what precedes the suffix) is “es” in Galician and Portuguese (e.g., “Peres,” the son of Pedro) and “is” in Catalan (”Peris”), but “ez” in Asturian (”Pérez”).
Many languages have patronymic suffixes: “son” in English, “son” or “sen” in Nordic languages, “sz” in Dutch, “vich” in Russian, “ian” in Armenian, etc.
Other languages have patronymic prefixes meaning “son of” what follows: “Mc” or “Mac” in Scottish Gaelic, “Fitz” in Norman French, “ben” in Hebrew, “ibn” in Arabic, etc. Similarlym, the suffix O’ in Irish Gaelic means “grandson of.”
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posted on
11/26/2012 9:54:36 AM PST
by
AuH2ORepublican
(If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll protect your rights?)
To: bruinbirdman
When I read the headline, I automatically thought of the “Cat Duet” by the “Catalunia Catholic Boy’s Choir”.
I don’t even know if the spelling is different because it’s a Monastary, or if it’s a whole different place.
It just the first thing that came to my mind.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=d63jKihoYRg
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posted on
11/26/2012 11:29:28 AM PST
by
Hedra
(Just a former "Lewd fellow of the baser sort" Acts 17:5 (KJV))
To: Cronos
We, meaning America, should have stayed the hell out of it entirely.
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posted on
11/26/2012 6:50:27 PM PST
by
Lurker
(Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
To: Cronos
I think in terms of genetic studies the Basques are the same as their surrounding neighbors Only in a "we are all human" sort of way. Other then that, according to the Genographic Project, the Basques share unique genetic patterns that are not found in their non-Basques neighbors.
They appear to be a DNA as well as a linguistic isolate.
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posted on
11/26/2012 7:53:15 PM PST
by
Harmless Teddy Bear
(Fate plays chess and you don't find out until too late that he's been using two queens all along)
To: HiTech RedNeck
You have to wonder what the point of “independence” is when you imediately join the EUSSR upon getting it?
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posted on
11/26/2012 8:34:34 PM PST
by
GeronL
(http://asspos.blogspot.com)
To: Cronos
apparently not all socialists want to destroy their economies.
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posted on
11/26/2012 8:36:58 PM PST
by
GeronL
(http://asspos.blogspot.com)
To: GeronL
I guess an irony... they don’t want to be owned by big bad ole Spain. They want to be owned by the whole bloomin’ EU.
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posted on
11/26/2012 9:13:33 PM PST
by
HiTech RedNeck
(How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
To: HiTech RedNeck
Apparently some in Scotland think that way too.
crazy
You know what’s scary?
The number of people who could read (or have it read to them, illiterate morons) “Brave New World” and think it’s a really good idea.
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posted on
11/26/2012 9:16:11 PM PST
by
GeronL
(http://asspos.blogspot.com)
To: GeronL
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posted on
11/26/2012 9:19:02 PM PST
by
HiTech RedNeck
(How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
To: HiTech RedNeck
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posted on
11/26/2012 9:20:19 PM PST
by
GeronL
(http://asspos.blogspot.com)
To: Cronos
You’re just a bundle of information. Thank you!
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posted on
11/26/2012 11:18:50 PM PST
by
piasa
(Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
To: GeronL
weelll, I wouldn't go so far as that. Socialism had its place in the 1800s when it eliminate 80 hour or more work weeks and child labor, but now the modern day socialists seem to go hand in hand with stupid liberal social policies. Sweden seemed to have done well as a socialist country because it was small and had accumulated wealth (it wasn't in WWII), but then took in tons of asylum seekers and the money is gone.
Perhaps it ties in the idea thatsocialism can work in a small group of similar minded people?
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posted on
11/27/2012 1:20:15 AM PST
by
Cronos
(**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
To: Harmless Teddy Bear
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posted on
11/27/2012 2:09:02 AM PST
by
Cronos
(**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
To: Lurker
well, militarily, yes. But, as the only super-power, we were going to be involved one way or the other. I just don’t know what could have been the good way or least bad way
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11/27/2012 2:12:07 AM PST
by
Cronos
(**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
To: GeronL; HiTech RedNeck
Quite frankly for regions like Catalonia, Basque country, Brittany etc., the fact of belonging to a supra-national union is better -- just like it was better for little princedoms etc. in the larger Holy Roman empire -- more freedom by in name submission to a far-off higher authority
They won't be "owned" by anyone -- and quite frankly as I said above, they are not "owned" by Spain in the sense that Spain has a very decentralized state
Being part of the European community with its common market had advantages -- the EU bureaucracy is another thing.. the EU would do well to stay as just a commercial union allowing free movement of goods and ideas and having the Schengen. The Euro was a mistake to be added so quickly to so many countries - but then that was a French idea to keep the Germans in check (and one of the conditions of Mitterand's ok to allow German reunification)
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posted on
11/27/2012 2:16:30 AM PST
by
Cronos
(**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
To: GeronL; HiTech RedNeck
Geron -- you do know that Aldous Huxley wrote "Brave New World" was written because he feared the Americanization of Europe? The ideas of sex as recreational, incredible consumption, state-created "social clubs" and Henry Ford's assembly line is there in the EU's bureaucratic genome and also in the Democrat's plans, but the EU's is bound to fail for the same reason we see Catalan's "independence" -- the EU is too diverse. There is no melting pot as we have, which is the same reason why European workers are not as mobile as America -- in the USA, one can shift from NY to Atlanta a lot easier than from Athens to Hamburg -- language, cultural differences, even laws are too different.
And the funny thing is that the Euro, which was meant to unite, has succeeded in creating disunity -- yay :)
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posted on
11/27/2012 2:55:45 AM PST
by
Cronos
(**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
To: Cronos
The “good way” would have been to keep the US out of it entirely. There was zero strategic threat to America and that should be the sole criteria for committing the American military anywhere on Earth.
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posted on
11/27/2012 7:29:00 AM PST
by
Lurker
(Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
To: Cronos
Awesome history lesson, Cronos, of a historically volatile region and the people that live there.
Thank you for posting it!
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posted on
11/27/2012 9:02:35 AM PST
by
NFHale
(The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
To: Cronos
I got history-lessened today Cronos. Fascinating reading.
I saved this post with your many great comments to Zotero on Firefox.
That’s a compliment. Don’t often do that.
Thanks for taking the time to educate.
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posted on
11/27/2012 11:51:54 AM PST
by
A'elian' nation
(Political correctness does not legislate tolerance; it only organizes hatred. Jacques Barzun)
To: NFHale; A'elian' nation
no worries. Note though that that is my opinion based on what I've read. I'd suggest to all to read through things on all sides of the story -- not just Croat or Serb sides, but also Bosnian and even Turkic and Austrian and Russian sides to get a wider perspective
Like everywhere else in the world, what we see right now has a lot of depth historically behind it
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posted on
11/28/2012 12:24:49 AM PST
by
Cronos
(**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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