Posted on 11/24/2012 1:04:13 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
CINCINNATI — One of Cincinnati’s largest employers fired approximately 150 employees Wednesday for failing to get a required flu shot.
TriHealth offered all of its 10,800 employees free flu shots. Employees had a month to get the flu shot. The deadline was Nov. 16. Employees who did not get the shot were terminated Wednesday, a company spokesperson said...
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no no no, you know more than an MD so I wouldn’t think of trying to teach you.
I worked R&D and manufacturing. That was no accident. That virus had help. *Deliberate* help. R&D badges don’t work at manufacturing facilities and vice versa. Unless you’re management, or an approved visitor. *Someone* deliberately took that sample from the R&D facility in this country, got on a plane, flew to europe, deplaned, managed to get INTO the manufacturing facility and INTO the room with the big giant vat and PUT that virus in there.
If that QC is so poor why should we trust their QC at all? Level 3 samples don’t just *walk out* of R&D facilities. Nor do they just *walk in* manufacturing facilities.
Yes, totally accidentally.
It's basic research. So, it probably went like this: the researchers either wrote by hand or typed out a protocol--they were NOT following a textbook protocol (new experimental vaccine does not have a defined recipe). It contains dozens of steps. More than one researcher was involved. The person opening the eggs thought the person extracting the virus would do the formalin deactivation step; the person doing the extraction thought the person opening the eggs had already added the formalin. Or someone picked up the dilute formalin bottle instead of the pure formalin bottle and diluted it (a second dilution), so that instead of using 3.7% formalin, they were using 0.37% formalin. In any case, the formalin deactivation never occurred, and all the remaining steps were performed with live virus that everyone thought was dead. The experimental vaccine was packaged and sent off (via UPS or USPO) with the usual paperwork; no one realized until the ferrets were inoculated and died that the virus was still active. Maybe such an event is newsworthy, but it's hardly an indictment of an entire company, nor is it an indication of malicious intent. It's just an accident of the type that sometimes happens in basic research labs. Usually, that kind of accident only causes experiment failure; in this case, it caused ferrets to die (which is still only an experiment failure, even though the ferrets suffered).
Experimental vaccines are not made at manufacturing facilities. They are made by scientists working in small labs on a small scale. Nor do they undergo the QC process required for licensed vaccines. The researchers probably measured the protein content of the vaccine, and made sure it was free of bacterial contamination... I doubt they did much else.
You say you worked R&D and manufacturing. That tells me that you did not work at the basic science level, which is where vaccines are developed, long before they reach the clinical trial stage. At the basic science level, there is no QC.
The Flumist nasal vaccine is made with a live virus. Personally, I question the wisdom of putting live virus up people's noses...
Right. And without a diagnosis made by a medical expert, supported by objective laboratory tests, how can you possibly know what is going on (if anything)? Anecdotal stories of "bad things" happening after vaccination, without any supporting evidence, are useless.
I know how these things happen. I *also* happen to know in Baxter's case the virus was IN a level 3-4 facility in THIS country, somehow managed to get on a plane, across a continent, an ocean and another continent to ANOTHER facility and INTO a reactor vessel.
That wasn't an accident. The facility that produced that 'contaminated' vaccine wasn't supposed to have that particular live virus at ALL.
This was NOT a 'protocol error'. This was deliberate. They mixed TWO different types of flu virus in a reactor vessel. Both live. THIS is how pandemics start.
Those people who got fungal meningitis didn't get it from vaccines. They got the disease through spinal injections of (IIRC) a steroid suspension that was not properly sterilized, and that had been reformulated at a facility that had already been cited for health & safety violations. The fact that the drug was reformulated means that the facility didn't even manufacture it themselves; they took a drug manufactured elsewhere, altered, and resold it. That case has absolutely nothing to do with vaccinations, or even with the pharmaceutical industry as a whole.
“I worked in the lab in R&D”
THE lab eh? So you worked in THE medical lab doing R&D and by inference it was in something related to this subject.
yet you don’t believe in vaccines.
No wonder we don’t have a cure for the common cold if the people working on it don’t believe in it.
how about postal workers?..they wipe their noses and touch all our mail and deliver it to us....
food handlers?......butchers?....restaurant workers/
seems to me that anyone using paid for health care should be forced to get flu shots and pneumonia vaccines....afterall, they're bringing germs into the healthcare setting and exposing all the healthcare workers....
just playing devils advocate here...
but some people like to force others to do things they themselves would not.....how can that be legal, let alone fair....
we ask about flu vaccines and pneumonia vaccines...but nothing is “forced” on you...you can refuse anything at any time.....a hospital is not a prison, you don’t have to come and you can leave at any time, as long as you’re mentally competent.....
LOL! When unable to refute, fall back on sarcasm. I'll take that as a concession to my original point...a vaccine does not prevent the recipient from carrying and spreading a virus.
It doesn't take genius or an MD to figure it out, just resistence to intellectual laziness. I guess some people are content with accepting conventional wisdom rather than think for themselves.
what I would support, wholeheartedly, is being deliberately innoculated WITH rubella and spending a couple weeks in a ‘rubella hostel’ somewhere. Think of it as an away camp for 10yr old girls. Never have to worry about your status again. Or who might have it.
Back when I was in Navy boot camp, I was one of two girls in my company (of 80 girls) who had a negative rubella titer. So the other girl and I were sent off to get the vaccine. My titer was never tested again, so I do not know if that particular vaccination worked. I do know that I have never had rubella, nor have I ever seen someone with rubella.
If you don't become immune from the vaccine, there is no guarantee you would become immune from the disease, either. And there is a chance that if you fail to become immune from the vaccine, it is because you have an immune system defect--in which case, becoming infected with the disease (deliberately or otherwise) could kill you. Choosing to get a potential fatal or disabling disease just to avoid being poked with a tiny needle isn't very logical.
When I was a kid, I got chicken pox. A few months ago, I got shingles, because the chicken pox virus is still alive inside my nerves. The shingles rash is gone, but I still have pain (post-herpetic neuralgia). Even though the shingles vaccine is recommended for people older than me, you better believe I'll ask for it on my next annual exam--I *don't* want to get shingles again.
Here’s a better idea: fire employees who come to work with the flu.
Show me where I stated that I don’t believe in vaccines.
I did, in fact, state that i’ve had FIVE rubella vaccines. That’s a whole lotta vaccination for somebody who doesn’t believe in vaccination.
They will never cure the cold. vaccinate for it? sure, just as soon as they get a vaccine that works for it. There are multiple dozens of variants of that virus family though. So may the force be with them. And you.
Chase the genome is always a bad idea for humans. Always. Vaccines are no different than antibiotics in that regard. The recent 10Xvirulence pertussis mutation is proof enough of that. As a short term strategy they probably beat not vaccinating. Long term the bugs will win UNLESS you figure out how to TREAT the illness in question WITHOUT driving the bugs evolutionarily.
You’re an idiot who doesn’t even remember his high school biology.
Actually, those questions are the subject of a great deal of ongoing research. Given the high number of illnesses and deaths caused by the flu, there is a great deal of interest within the medical community in knowing those answers.
Actually, those questions are the subject of a great deal of ongoing research. Given the high number of serious illnesses and deaths caused by the flu, there is a great deal of interest within the medical community in knowing those answers.
Oops, sorry about that.
And as of yet there still is no common-cold vaccine.
Antibiotic resistance plasmids are spreading throughout various bacterial populations. Yikes. But that's another discussion.
I doubt whether there will ever be a common-cold vaccine. So many different viruses cause colds; a vaccine would have to be developed for each one.
I think it is the immune adjuvants that cause people to be more susceptible to illness after the flu or other vaccines.
If you want your employees not to get sick, send them links about what truly prevents the flu. Lots of sleep and plenty of vitamin d3. Tell them you will cover their blood test to see if they have enough d3 in them.
This is Naziism.
My issue with the current rubella vaccine is completely unrelated to the ‘teeny tiny little needle’ they use. I’m a t2d. I fear sharp pointy objects NOT.
I object to the use of dead babies in its production. Even IF they could assure me they’re all out by the time the vaccine is injected in MY body.
And they can’t assure me that either.
I had chickenpox TWICE. Once as a kid. And once a year and a half ago when I was exposed to someone who’d had the shingles vaccine and was NOT told they would be infectious for a week or more. If you get the shingles vaccine, be sure to isolate yourself for the infectious period post vax.
Dead baby products != good medicine
I’d rather have shingles than benefit from an abortion that’s older than *I* am. I fear eternal judgement more than neuralgia.
Other countries manage to produce rubella vaccines WITHOUT the use of dead babies. Why can’t we? We don’t even have a choice! Dead baby products or birth defects. Some choice.
Tell me the CDC cares about my health and well being again? Because they’re certainly NOT up front about the use of dead babies in vaccine cultures.
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