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I think the hopes for conservatives may truly rise after 2020...I think the exit of PRODUCTIVE human beings from the socialism of California and New York will be SO massive that the electoral value of those wastelands will diminish.

California, I remember in 1980, was a competitive state for Presidential politics. For five or six elections, though, it has been an automatic lock for Demon rats. If the conservatives would just leave that state--where they are outnumbered by the mouth breathers in the big cities, conservatives could significantly increase the chances for victory in the states where they go.

For instance, Mitt Romney got 4.2 million votes in California.

Imagine if, oh, HALF of those votes left California and moved to Oregon, Nevada, and Washington...

Romney would have won all of those states. 25 more electoral votes.

I know it isn't easy asking people to leave for merely political purposes...I am just pointing our how easy it would be to flip states if conservatives just walked away from the deep Demonrat states. Go to some other, more marginal Demonrat states and change them.

Check out some of the possibilities yourself here:

http://www.politico.com/2012-election/map/#/President/2012/

1 posted on 11/18/2012 1:14:46 PM PST by SoFloFreeper
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The Republican Party is going NO WHERE, as long as they sign consent decrees like THIS with the Rats.

http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2012/11/why-gop-wont-challenge-vote-fraud.html


2 posted on 11/18/2012 1:23:08 PM PST by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: SoFloFreeper

LOVE YA SARAH!


3 posted on 11/18/2012 1:24:42 PM PST by Libloather (The epitome of civility.)
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Yes. Arizona, Montana and North Dakota need help too. Colorado may seem lost now, but 8 years of Gov. Chickenpooper will help the pendulum to swing back.


5 posted on 11/18/2012 1:29:53 PM PST by rfp1234 (Arguing with a liberal is like playing chess with a pigeon.)
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You're not going to convince half of CA Romney voters to move to Oregon and Washington which are to the cultural LEFT of CA.

It would be wonderful to be able to incentivise disenfranchised conservatives to move to critical battleground states like Ohio. But people move for their own reasons and end up where they end up for the same, perhaps a job and not really connected to politics.

6 posted on 11/18/2012 1:33:36 PM PST by newzjunkey (Still waiting for Akin defenders to come clean and apologize...)
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The ‘pendulum’ isn’t going to swing so far the next time around. With the dims’s lock on Hispanics growing stronger and stronger thanks to President Santy Klaus, it will be far more difficult to get the votes we need to thrash the opposition.

2016 is by no means a shoe-in just because ‘it’s our turn’. Such thinking is delusional.


7 posted on 11/18/2012 1:33:56 PM PST by reagan_fanatic (You are not now, and will never be my President, Mr. Obama.)
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And in 2016, we are likely to see Republicans like Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal and Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan — all of whom have significantly more star power than Romney — make the race.

Ryan maybe, even though I was not impressed at all with his performance this go round, but the other losers can go pound sand.

8 posted on 11/18/2012 1:39:13 PM PST by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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2014 will not be a good year for Democrats.


10 posted on 11/18/2012 1:43:58 PM PST by TheRhinelander
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Until the old Republican establishment is gone, Republicans will never win another federal election.


11 posted on 11/18/2012 1:49:00 PM PST by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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The GOP, as well as conservatives, in the, politically, “bluest of blue” areas of the U.S. have been using such optimism for a very long time, and they are, still, waiting for the political winds of change to go their way.


12 posted on 11/18/2012 1:50:30 PM PST by johnthebaptistmoore (The world continues to be stuck in a "all leftist, all of the time" funk. BUNK THE FUNK!)
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I would be optimistic as well...the Democrats are out of half-black half-white guys who grew up in Hawaii, smoked a bit of weed, attended two years of Occidental College, then ran off to Columbia University, graduating later from Harvard, and were community organizers for most of their adult life. It was a one-of-a-kind find for the Democratic party, and they can’t find another guy like this in a million years.

The top guy for the Democrats in 2016 is Gov O’Malley of Maryland, who you should sit and figure up what he’s done with state politics there (gay marriage is legal, the Latinos have gained a number of benefits within the state, and unions are getting most of what they want).


13 posted on 11/18/2012 1:51:28 PM PST by pepsionice
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THe Republican party is not getting my vote.

And this idea of America is gone. It’s over. Time to look out for yourselves.


15 posted on 11/18/2012 1:59:12 PM PST by AlmaKing
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This election set a catastrophic precedent where early voting, provisional ballots, rigged electronic voting machines, etc. AND AN AMERICA THAT IS WILLING TO COMMIT FRAUD WITHOUT FEAR OF PERSECUTION DUE TO A CORRUPT DOJ is the new norm in these National Socialist States.

There is only ONE solution to this problem and it is NOT peaceful. If Palin or anyone else thinks America will return to greatness any other way, they are only fooling themselves. When the bad guys control the ballot boxes with no legal recourse for the good guys, it is foolish of us to expect anything will revert back in our favor without physical conflict.

18 posted on 11/18/2012 2:07:38 PM PST by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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“Presidential politics in the post World War II era tends to be defined by the pendulum effect. “

Sure, and no president has ever won reelection with 8%+ unemployment, or whatever. Obama did. The RNC blew it bigtime and they are showing they are not going to change for the better. If anything, they are seemingly trending to the left even more.


19 posted on 11/18/2012 2:08:03 PM PST by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)
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“Cooling the Marks.”

That’s all these “optimistic” trash articles are.

The big thing the GOP did wrong was not defending their votes at the polls.

Votewise, Romney won the election by a sizeable margin, but he and his committee allowed the votes of many to be stolen by democrat thuggery. There is no sign that such will abate, short of civil war, and we all know how brave the GOP is...


20 posted on 11/18/2012 2:17:04 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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“I think the hopes for conservatives may truly rise after 2020..”

You mean the Civil War which I’ve been praying for is arriving early?


24 posted on 11/18/2012 2:35:44 PM PST by max americana (Make the world a better place by punching a liberal in the face)
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Th Point has been reached where it is time to end the GOP since it is not a conservative party. The chance has passed for them to fight. Time to began a conservative Party USA. I am in the process of switching to unaffiliated. This dumb republican party won’t even fight voter fraud so what good is to to defend the party.


26 posted on 11/18/2012 2:43:56 PM PST by Mozilla
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The point has been reached where it is time to end the GOP since it is not a conservative party. The chance has passed for them to fight. Time to began a conservative Party USA. I am in the process of switching to unaffiliated. This dumb republican party won’t even fight voter fraud so what good is it to defend the party.


27 posted on 11/18/2012 2:45:15 PM PST by Mozilla
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The pendulum swings one way for eight (or so) years and then has a tendency to swing back the other way — almost no matter what...

8 years? Is Chris Cillizza for real? Is there ANYONE who really believes this is an 8 year swing? Is this writer and the reading public so uninformed and/or unaware to be oblivious of all that has transpired since the mid 1960's? The last 20 years in particular have been utterly destructive to us as a people, the US Constitution and this nation. That includes Republican GW Bush. This is not some 'pendulum swing' by any stretch nor did all of this just happen in the last 4 years.

32 posted on 11/18/2012 3:00:07 PM PST by Altura Ct.
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The GOP needs to support American companies.

Now.

American companies, hiring Americans.


41 posted on 11/18/2012 4:27:25 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network
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I suspect deep down, Rove didn’t want Romney elected. If he’d been elected Rove couldn’t make money “grooming” another E-GOP RINO and SCREWING US AGAIN!


45 posted on 11/18/2012 6:02:20 PM PST by WellyP (question!)
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