Posted on 11/17/2012 11:02:27 AM PST by SeekAndFind
Your state wants to secede from the union. What will this mean for your taxes?
I have good news and bad news. The good news is really good. But the bad news is really, really bad.
We’ll get to them in a moment.
Talk of secession is in the air. The White House this week confirmed that residents in all fifty states had submitted petitions asking to leave the union. Will the last one left please turn out the lights?
Residents in seven states, all in the former Confederacy, submitted more than 30,000 signatures each — enough that some hapless bureaucrat or intern will now have to take a look at their petitions.
The news comes 150 years after the Civil War, and just in time for Steve Spielberg’s biopic of Abraham Lincoln, the man whom we have to thank — if that’s the word I want — for the continued forcible marriage of the once-independent states.
It’s only a couple of years since Texas governor Rick Perry hoisted a rhetorical secessionist flag in response to Obamacare. In the last few years, anti-federal “10th Amendment” resolutions, emphasizing the primacy of states’ rights versus those of the union, have passed the legislatures of 12 states in the South and West. In five states, the governors signed them, too. (The 10th Amendment to the Constitution says states’ rights come before those of the federal government. The last time anyone in Washington actually paid attention to it, the ink was still wet.)
But what would any of this actually mean for your taxes?
The upside is you will be liberated from the sheer living hell of the federal tax code.
I don’t care where you live, and how badly run your local state government is. Nothing could be worse than this monstrosity.
(Excerpt) Read more at marketwatch.com ...
He neglected to mention that they will also no longer be bearing the cost of complying with federal regulations.
It will effectively be a restoration of the 10th Amendment, provided that the new association of seceded states is a treaty organization of independent sovereign states. If the Free States try to merge into a new centralized federal Nation-State, it will lead to a repeat of the same corruption we have now.
I think that's an accurate description of what the New United States would look like. In essence, what you're describing is a return to the letter and intent of our Constitution. I can just about guarantee that every secessionist state would sign onto that.
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The red states shouldn’t succeed. We should just kick the blue states out. They’re the ones that have decided they don’t like the country as founded. If they want Marxism, let them start their own countries.
Kick them out of what?
The founders wanted a loose association of independent sovereign states; not the strong centralized government bureaucracy that we have now. Even if we had a method to kick out the blue states, we would be left with a strong centralized government bureaucracy, which is the very problem we need to eliminate. Let the red states secede as they see fit, then they can freely form a more perfect union of independent sovereign states, like the founders described.
Secession would be a restoration of America, as it was formed by the founders. It is not a repudiation of America and its principles; it is traditional America's only hope for survival.
I decided nothing, I just see the reality of it all
Outside of a shave your head and cover yourself in sackcloth and ashes revival, we are doomed
I miss the rule of law. Obama's behavior is a huge step in the wrong direction, but we were already on that path decades ago. I hope we will return to following written laws before it is too late.
Well, alright then. Can I have your stuff?
More math: That is 90 tanks per state. About 4 tank companies per state.
Now lets' do the math by county shall we?
There are 2,992 counties in the United States
That means 1.5 tanks per county. LOL.
Only after the rapture
Okay, but I suspect you'll have the same problems with enforcement that we have today.
If Laredo is 95 percent Hispanic, McAllen, 89 percent, and Brownsville, 86 percent, it's going to be hard for non-Hispanic police or enforcement officers to cope with illegals, and Latino police or enforcement officers (or those of any ethnicity) are going to be faced with a lot of pressure to allow what's been going on to continue.
Also, the idea that Texas is somehow all of one piece may not fly. Texas may be faced with internal secession movements itself.
“Because we would stop paying for most of the crap the federal government does. Those states the article mentions that receive so much more in federal assistance than the rest of the nation... just happen to have the largest percentage of blacks, which disproportionately use welfare and over federal government handouts.
If we seceeded. We would STOP all those welfare payments to those groups causing them to.... flee to the North where they can once again be happy on the plantation having their every want taken care of including free Obama-phones!”
Or, because those groups are a growing demographic, they could vote their own into power and have all the social programs reinstated.
Then the seceded states can pay for all that without any help from other states or the federal government.
The secession now folks here at FR are deluding themselves...first by thinking secession will ever actually happen, and second by thinking it would play out according to their fantasies.
I personally think they’ve been listening to too many Hank Williams Jr. records lol.
No. If that is what the founders had wanted they would not have torn up the Articles of Confederation (which we lived under between 1781 and 1789) in favor of the constitution which provided for a much stronger central government. You need a history lesson, with special attention to the Annapolis convention called by James Madison.
The founders sought a balanced government with distinct powers. They purposefully abandoned the loose association of interdependent sovereign states.
****** The founders sought a balanced government with distinct powers. They purposefully abandoned the loose association of interdependent sovereign states.” *******
And that is exactly what we Lack ... Sovereign States
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