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To: ThomasSawyer
"The red states shouldn’t succeed. We should just kick the blue states out. They’re the ones that have decided they don’t like the country as founded. "

Kick them out of what?

The founders wanted a loose association of independent sovereign states; not the strong centralized government bureaucracy that we have now. Even if we had a method to kick out the blue states, we would be left with a strong centralized government bureaucracy, which is the very problem we need to eliminate. Let the red states secede as they see fit, then they can freely form a more perfect union of independent sovereign states, like the founders described.

Secession would be a restoration of America, as it was formed by the founders. It is not a repudiation of America and its principles; it is traditional America's only hope for survival.

85 posted on 11/17/2012 7:13:28 PM PST by UnwashedPeasant
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To: UnwashedPeasant
The founders wanted a loose association of independent sovereign states; not the strong centralized government bureaucracy that we have now.

No. If that is what the founders had wanted they would not have torn up the Articles of Confederation (which we lived under between 1781 and 1789) in favor of the constitution which provided for a much stronger central government. You need a history lesson, with special attention to the Annapolis convention called by James Madison.

The founders sought a balanced government with distinct powers. They purposefully abandoned the loose association of interdependent sovereign states.

93 posted on 11/18/2012 1:49:55 PM PST by Melas (u)
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