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1 posted on 11/14/2012 6:20:36 AM PST by NYer
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2 posted on 11/14/2012 6:21:19 AM PST by NYer ("Before I formed you in the womb I knew you." --Jeremiah 1:5)
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3 posted on 11/14/2012 6:24:22 AM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: NYer

Bump!


5 posted on 11/14/2012 6:27:51 AM PST by Ignatz (Winner of a prestigious 1960 Y-chromosome award!)
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To: NYer

Remember Terri Schiavo


6 posted on 11/14/2012 6:32:26 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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This shows that there is part of us that exists beyond physical consciousness. Have we stumbled upon the human soul?


7 posted on 11/14/2012 6:38:31 AM PST by The Great RJ
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So, they will stop harvesting organs from “brain dead” patients immediately, correct?


9 posted on 11/14/2012 6:42:09 AM PST by Boogieman
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So now we can ask a person in a “vegetative state” if they want their “plug pulled?” We don't have to leave it up to a judge or a stupid governor anymore?
10 posted on 11/14/2012 6:43:27 AM PST by subterfuge (************ Believe Barry Obama's Propaganda At Your Own Peril **************)
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I cannot imagine being trapped within only the confines of my thoughts and no way to tell the outside world I am in pain or any other discomfort.

Yikes!


12 posted on 11/14/2012 6:50:37 AM PST by Wurlitzer (Nothing says "ignorance" like Islam!)
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A former classmate of mine made the decision to pull his wife off life support, just last night.

She had been brain dead for 5 days; and, apparently the doctors use 5 days as a measuring stick. They told him ‘it was time to make some decisions’.

He obviously loved her very much - he poured his heart out for 5 days on a blog like site called Caring Bridge. His wife’s mother and sister were there, when they ‘pulled the plug’, so I think they were in agreement.

I was astonished that 5 days seemd to be the limit...the point at which the doctors started pressuring him to remove her from the machines. But, I have no medical expertise whatsoever, and I assume the doctors know when there is ‘no chance’.

Then this article comes along...and I don’t know what to think.


14 posted on 11/14/2012 6:52:27 AM PST by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: NYer

This will not sit well with the death panels!


20 posted on 11/14/2012 7:15:55 AM PST by ruesrose (Love is Action!.)
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They should ask him if he’s bored.


23 posted on 11/14/2012 7:18:36 AM PST by Lucas McCain
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I don't want to be wet blanket here, but here is the nagging doubt I have about this story:

Is the doctor running the "communication test" the ONLY person that can "Interpret" the patient's responses? If so, then this is no better than the "guided writing" and other supposed methods of reaching brain damaged people.

It just turns out that the person "interpreting" the results is simply the one supplying the answers.
26 posted on 11/14/2012 7:33:54 AM PST by Rebel_Ace (Tags?!? Tags?!? We don' neeeed no stinkin' Tags!)
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Why didn’t we think of this sooner! It is sooo simple: Ask qwuestions and have the aptient answer by thinking in various terms, such as a math equation for yes and colors for no. The brain activity changes based on the patients thoughts. Then ask known questions: Is your name Routley? Is your name Mary? Do you know that you are in a hospital? Do you think you are in a zoo? etc.


37 posted on 11/14/2012 8:31:11 AM PST by CodeToad (Padme: "So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause.")
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There must be some discernible boolean state they can read (and he can positively control). They ask him yes or no questions that he and they know the answers to (do birds fly? is the sky green?) to verify the communication. Then they can ask him other questions: “Do you want to continue to live?” “Do you like the massages the night nurse gives?”


38 posted on 11/14/2012 8:37:14 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed (Hold My Beer and Watch This!)
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a Canadian man has begun communicating with doctors who are monitoring his brain activity through Functional Magnetic Resonance Imaging (fMRI) scans.

will they be able to vote?

40 posted on 11/14/2012 9:02:18 AM PST by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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Quick, kill him before he communicates again!


50 posted on 11/14/2012 11:02:49 AM PST by Antoninus (Sorry, gone rogue.)
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other doctors say this means medical text books will literally need to be re-written when it comes to evaluating patients suffering from severe brain injuries.

FL could have re-written it in '05 if they listened to others and not be so hell bent on starving Terry Schiavo to death to suit the courts and her evil husband. YES, she was in pain when they starved her to death, the maggots, and denied her the care she needed - along with the love of her parents/family.

56 posted on 11/14/2012 1:33:02 PM PST by presently no screen name
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This is kinda all a moot point now.

The fact that the patient is conscious, or even walking, talking, and playing chess, is irrelevant, if the care of the patient is for other reasons costing the state too much in money and health care resources, and not capable of voting for the Democrat Party.

Keep your eyes on Jesus Christ. The Babylonians have laid siege to Jerusalem and are streaming through the gates.


60 posted on 11/15/2012 5:47:13 AM PST by mbarker12474 (If thine enemy offend thee, give his childe a drum.)
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Too late for Terry Schiavo.

Hopefully, not too late for others.

Of course, all the ZeroCare lovers are trying to rid us of all these people and anyone near this condition.


67 posted on 11/16/2012 9:18:29 AM PST by AFPhys ((Praying for our troops, our citizens, that the Bible and Freedom become basis of the US law again))
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