Posted on 11/10/2012 7:53:35 PM PST by tobyhill
On a conference call with House Republicans a day after the party’s electoral battering last week, Speaker John A. Boehner dished out some bitter medicine, and for the first time in the 112th Congress, most members took their dose.
Their party lost, badly, Mr. Boehner said, and while Republicans would still control the House and would continue to staunchly oppose tax rate increases as Congress grapples with the impending fiscal battle, they had to avoid the nasty showdowns that marked so much of the last two years.
Members on the call, subdued and dark, murmured words of support — even a few who had been a thorn in the speaker’s side for much of this Congress.
It was a striking contrast to a similar call last year, when Mr. Boehner tried to persuade members to compromise with Democrats on a deal to extend a temporary cut in payroll taxes, only to have them loudly revolt.
With President Obama re-elected and Democrats cementing control of the Senate, Mr. Boehner will need to capitalize on the chastened faction of the House G.O.P. that wants to cut a deal to avert sudden tax increases and across-the-board spending cuts in January that could send the economy back into recession. After spending two years marooned between the will of his loud and fractious members and the Democratic Senate majority, the speaker is trying to assert control, and many members seem to be offering support.
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Op Chaos didn’t backfire, Clinton and Obama are both radicals.
How did the latest GOP challenger do in DE btw?
Your analysis is long on emotion and short on facts.
I will tell my US Representative tomorrow to vote against Boehner as speaker. However, Obama may see the danger of newly converted amnesty ally Boehner getting thrown out next year, and for that reason amnesty may come up in the lame duck.
It's all going down the hopper anyway. Senate ignores everything passed.
Let's examine that statement. GOP senators were ready to pass amnesty in 2007 before the phones melted.
There are 45 GOP senators, with the same number after lame duck. Obama would need to pick off 6. I am not going to assume that the madness that has infected Boehner is contagious, but I am not going to assume that it is not. Not all senators are like Sessions.
Luger would get to vote for it and does not face reelection.
Flake has been for some amnesty proposals in the past, and even proposed his own.
Rubio has proposed his own dream act.
I think Kay Bailey Hutchison would vote no, but it took her a long time to make up her mind about the GWB amnesty. Cruz, taking over her job next year, sounds OK so far, but he is a new guy.
Kirk? He said that condoms reduce illegal immigration!
Murkowski: RINO but may vote against Obama amnesty, who knows.
And then there are the 2007 amnesty cheerleader McCain, Graham, Chambliss, Isakson.
I understand that, however, I meant it backfired because the left used it on us in states that have open primaries.
Down at the Whore House
— Quar-tet
You gotta Boehner?
— Not yet.
Are ya gonna-get one?
— You bet.
Down at the Whore House
— Quar-tet
Rush is also opposed to a new multi-million-voter block from illegal immigrants. Wanna give’em that? And what if Reid/O want Peurto Rico to be a state at the same time? You think the US is in trobule now, a major constituency shift would be concrete over the coffin.
I am DONE with the GOP.
the left has been doing that for years. the fact that the GOP allows open primaries should be what you are pissed about.
I said 6 because the socialist Bernie Sanders voted against amnesty in 2007. If Sanders, Manchin, etc., all vote TES, Obama needs only 5.
Not Boehner’s fault. He is just a congenital RINO.
It’s the fault of these TEA Party reps, so-called, who won’t stand against him.
“...a new multi-million-voter block from illegal immigrants. Wanna give’em that? And what if Reid/O want Peurto Rico to be a state at the same time?”
You are exactly right. If you give amnesty to millions of dem voters, in future elections you will have to not only retain your past vote count but also add sufficient numbers of new voters to overcome the new dem voters generated by amnesty. Every election since the late 80s has shown just how difficult if not impossible that is currently. What possible new policies or gifts does the GOP think it has to overcome that? It would be an essentially permanent shift to a one-party political system. There is a slim chance the GOP can compete in the current demographic situation but with amnesty, that chance would be erased, entirely, forever, and irretrievably. Any Repub considering amnesty should consider that, whatever the possible benefits (I think those are imaginary), the downside risk is catastrophic in magnitude.
The only reason Republicans would do anything in lame duck is because they think misguided maybe that they would get a better deal than the next congress. But I don't see that happening, I don't think Bohner is evil just cowardly and dumb.
Patty Murray was on ABC This Week and she said on camera that maybe the best thing is to let all the taxes go up and then come back in January to deal with it. Other Dems have said the same ON CAMERA.
If Republicans were saying this then congressional Dems would be on every TV station screaming “... said she/he is saying your taxes should go up”
This is how Dems beat Republicans senseless last year and got them to surrender on both the budgets and the debt limit, by using their words against them as weapons.
Dems know how to fight and win. Republicans just put up some token resistance and then they give Dems the ammunition they need to crush them, and then they just cave.
No faith in that crew. I Expect them to cave again on this and vote as O dictates, then they will own it, and later try to say they were against what they voted, just like Ryan tried to do this year with the automatic cuts.
The guy is a lifelong Marxist. Do you really think he's any different from any other communist dictator? Every single one has rounded up the opposition or starved them to death.
Zero wants you disarmed, imprisoned, and then dead. Have at it turkey.
The Republican Congressmen should all just vote present on everything that obama wants and then obama would get what he wants and he would actually have to “own” it. No way to blame the Republicans on it this time. We did not block or impede him so there is no one to blame but obama, Reid, and Democrats. Maybe the people would finally “see” the light without any filters.
Sure.
Show me where he told his caucus anything like what's printed in this article. Not some dumb public post-election reconciliation message, which is mandatory and meaningless; but a quote where he actually told Republicans to capitulate in a meeting behind closed doors.
You missed my point....the “masses” will only realize what Obozo’s policies do when they feel the pain of the economy and there is no more money.
Of course, the downside to letting them feel their pain is that it all flips into a dictatorship fast when there is civil unrest.
Wonder if you’ll feel the same way after Bohner betrays us?
Rush also gave us “Operation Chaos” in 2008. That led to Obama in the first place!
Exactly. Rush’s obsession with Hillary...gave us BO.
I’ve about had it with Rush lately. “and that reminds me...” He’s all over the place.
Levin is the only reliable voice for conservatives.
I’ve held out hope for a long time, but the GOP is demonstrating the real need for a Conservative 3rd party.
We need to get started in earnest.
What a sorry situation. :-(
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