Posted on 11/08/2012 12:00:19 PM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
I rarely post vanities, but I wanted to ask Freepers if they thought it would have made any difference to the average Obama voter if he had stated the same policy goals as Romney. My personal opinion is that for most Obama voters, and for much of the democrat base, it would make no difference. For that matter, I don't think they would have liked Romney any better even if he had run on Obama's platform.
This is an important issue, because if its all about brand name, and not about actual policy positions, then there is essentially no way to sway those voters from the left without calling yourself a democrat. It also likely means that all the pandering in the world is probably still not going to work.
Opinions?
Among my worries about a Romney presidency was my fear that he would actually make big government functional and efficient.
That’s impossible. Big government cannot be functional and certainly never efficient.
Was he still going to be black? If so, same outcome.
No it would not have made a bit of difference, they were voting for the guy.
There are “man on the street” interviews with people being asked about whether they agree with Romney on this or that but substituted Obama’s positions. They HATED the positions (or was it just the guy they hated and his money and his skin color and his religion).
The masses are dumbasses who really don’t have a clue as to who they are voting for until October.
Maybe not everyone but at least a third of this nation with an additional sizeable block who are voting solidly Dem without knowing the candidates names, which party(ies) control the House or Senate etc.
What mattered was the media's message about their platforms. The vast majority of voters had no idea what either candidate stood for, rather they were interested in the opinions expressed about them by various comedians and other media personalities.
I contend that if voters selected candidates based only on a list of issues and the candidates positions on such, the outcome would be quite different. Although I will admit, the results of many ballot referenda don't necessarily bear this out.
Yes, I agree that was a big determinant. Not much Romney could have done about that. This is one reason the left had to destroy the candidacy of Herman Cain.
Here is a video of the best person to answer that question:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpAOwJvTOio
There was actually a video where someone was asking people if they supported this or that position, amd indicating that it was a Romney position. The replies opposed/supported a given position based on whether or not those replying thought it was a Rmney position. When they were done, the questioner told the people that just the opposite was so, that the positions they claimed to support/oppose based on ot being a Romney position was actually an Obama position. The people were NOT non-plussed. They don’t know and don’t care about issues, this is strictly tribal voting.
Romney could have offered them free NIKE’s and they would not have voted for him, but they would have rioted and trampled him if they thought they might be able to steel them from him.
The reality is that in a world constructed and maintained by central bankers, political personalities and policies are increasingly irrelevant. It is now totally about maintaining the Ponzi.
That’s why you would have seen little difference between Romney or Obama. History will show we locked into our destiny long ago.
You know, as I consider your question, I think you are right. The platforms didn’t make the difference, in fact most didn’t even know the platforms. No arguments made a bit of difference with those who just kept repeating, “I am a lifelong Democrat, I am a lifelong Democrat, I am a lifelong Democrat.”
“That’s impossible. Big government cannot be functional and certainly never efficient.”
I could have done a better job with the FEMA response using my laptop...in my home office...by myself. There is no excuse for a gas and WATER shortage for a week after the storm.
Obama would have won no matter what he ran on.
Just look at indicted and mentally ill Jesse Jackson Jr.’s. He didn’t debate or campaign. His race, his name and the “D” after his name on the ballot gave him a landslide win in his Rat and racist infested district. He couldn’t debate or campaign.
Obama’s base knows he will continue to provide them free stuff, will continue his Marxist march, and the rest are too stupid to understand the issues. They get their political knowledge from TV comedians and union halls.
I agree with your premise, and don't think the ballot measures issue negates it. Generally there is such hype and obfuscation of those ballot measures that many people don't know exactly what the measures are for.
I would actually favor a system in which each candidate was required to submit a 25 page summary of what their positions are, and what they want to do if elected. This would be posted online, and be available in paper form at every library and other public places. This would stop the spin, and would provide a document that could be used to hold candidates feet to the fire if they're elected. Oh, I would also require the entire 25 page document be typed or written physically by the candidate, while being monitored for authenticity (no ghost writers).
well, when it costs $700 million to deliver $300 billion in welfare benefits it can certainly be made more efficient.
well, when it costs $700 Billion to deliver $300 billion in welfare benefits it can certainly be made more efficient.
I tried valiantly for two years to open the eyes of two Libs, to no avail.
I tried it by sending facts and never got a rebuttal.
I pointed out that their family, in Israel, was seriously in danger, with more to come if Hussein was re elected.
Guess who they voted for?
They got what they wanted, I hope that they want what they are about to get.
He did.
Some of you will say that Romney’s positions were the same as Obama’s. I personally don’t believe that’s the case.
I personally DO believe that is the case.
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