Posted on 11/06/2012 10:11:53 PM PST by TigerClaws
Gay marriage passed in Maine and Maryland. Close in Washington and Minnesota.
CO voted to legalize weed. Washington too.
gay marriage, yes a matter of morality, 10 commandments stuff..however, there is no thou shalt not burn weed the last time I looked...I do not think it is what folks should do with their lives by any means, but to me there is nothing Christian about persecuting folks for smoking a plant..I think that is rediculous..
You are a dangerously sane individual. Welcome to FR! Don't expect much by way of rational debate from the Drug Warriors - but feel entirely free to hold their feet to the fire of reason for as long as your patience lasts.
Absolutely correct. Religion is one of the biggest businesses in America and we need to stop treating it like we do. Tax them like anything else. Property taxes, income taxes on contributions, etc.
answer what?
I just told you I said it, also I;ll trust my Doc over a stranger on a website who wants dope legal.
As for you saying you have friends which dope and are alright then great but I have family which did get hurt and it hurt them a great deal so I’ll trust what I have seen and have had at me.
hang on you are telling me what my sister got started on, LOL,
She started on weed she wanted a bigger fix and went higher and higher.
My brother was a drug dealer, ended up in prison, took the crap himself and screwed his life up.
Oh and she is not the exception either bu then again you want to tell me you think you know more about my family tan I.
LOL
WOW
Your Doc says marijuana should be illegal?
She started on weed she wanted a bigger fix and went higher and higher.
So you're saying she never used alcohol?
Oh and she is not the exception either
How do you know this? Study: Alcohol is more of a "gateway" drug than marijuana
This question: Alcohol abuse damages the lives of millions, and kills thousands, every year. Given that, should we bring back Prohibition?
Still waiting for an answer from you...
I just told you I said it, also I;ll trust my Doc over a stranger on a website who wants dope legal.
If your Doc thinks that a joint of marijuana leaves someone intoxicated 5 days after consuming it, I suggest you shop around for a new health care provider... :-)
(snd I don't just want dope to be legal; it is legal in my state, once the new law takes effect)
I believe that there is the misconception that a libertarian who advocates ending the 'drug war' is pro-drug or is advocating citizens engaging in drug use. Personally, I believe that drugs are dangerous and should not be used and certainly not celebrated in culture as 'cool' at all. I dabbled in that area as a kid and it led to many problems. My life is much better as a result of adhering to socially conservative morals and behavior. In this, we are and always will be on the same side.
The disagreement comes with how to address the situation. I do not believe in giving the federal government the power to use force to impose drug laws. Like Prohibition, the result is the problem more than the well-meaning but flawed policy itself. Violent organized crime, unchecked and unconstitutional power to seize and incarcerate, and deterioration of the 10th Amendment are bad things. These things continue to grow in power and consequence, all while their effectiveness remains poor. I do not advocate drug use.
I do advocate following the Constitution to the letter and never ceding freedom to a Nanny State or a Police State. Democrats have no real incentive to win the War On Poverty, as an increase in dependents means an increase in constituents, budgets, and power. Does the federal government have any more incentive to 'win' the War On Drugs?
I would like to live in a country where we see a reduction in both the federal government's power AND the horrible effects of both the drugs and the violence, corruption and moral decline that surrounds them. I hope that we find a way to achieve both and find ourselves living in a nation that is more safe, more free, and more sane.
good post.
For years my sister lived on the street, getting high all the time, then went into prison for stealing to support the habit.
She tried to kill herself while in prison .
I’m totally against it because of how it ruined the family and what it has done to people I know
good post.
So you agree with Cap74 that the War On Drugs is not the answer to the drug problem?
I said good post not I agree,
I read your home page. You and I probably agree on a lot of things, especially about history. We probably disagree on a lot too. We on the Right need to remember that we have a common enemy, despite our disagreements on some things. Best of luck to you and your family. We're all going to need it.
thank you and the same to you.
BTW I need to update that profile page as I;m a couple of years older, EEK LOL.
Fair enough. Glad the Cap at least gave you food for thought.
I take it you think we should ban booze again..
what a stupid comment
“I predicted the “gay marriage never won at the ballot box” talking-point would fall this year. This issue is lost; it’s just a matter of time because demographic are not with “traditional marriage.” Younger generations do not have the same values.”
I made a similar prediction here as well, that at least two states would vote to legalize gay marriage. As it happens, it looks like conservatives are losing in ALL FOUR STATES in which the gay marriage issue appeared on the ballot in some form or another.
You are also very observant that younger voters do not have “values” that are congruent to those of conservatives.
More than anything else, this does not bode well for the future of conservatism in America, at least as an enduring national movement (as distinguished from state-localized conservatism, which remains healthy). “Conservatism” will become a product that they’re simply not interested in. They’ll “buy” something else, and we know what that is.
Predictions (and I know I’m going to be attacked for stating as much):
- Gay marriage will quickly become a loser for conservatives (if they expect to win) at the national level.
- Abortion is also destined to become a losing issue. If there are so many young females so easily riled up about something [that to them seems important and emotional] as birth control, how can we expect to win them over on the abortion issue? They’ve been “gotten to” by the other side, their opinions are firmed up, and they won’t change.
How will conservatives maintain their ideological positions in the “elective market”, and expect to gain the votes of the young?
No. It doesn’t work that way. Anyone can go to a whorehouse in Reno because prostitution is legal there. Likewise, anyone will be able to buy weed in Colorado, they would just have to smoke it there.
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