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Silos Loom as Death Traps on American Farms
NY Times ^ | 10/28/12 | John Broder

Posted on 10/30/2012 3:26:59 AM PDT by DemforBush

STERLING, Mich. — Tommy Osier, 18, a popular but indifferent student, was still a year from graduating from high school, and that was no sure thing. Farm work paid him $7.40 an hour, taught him discipline and gave him new skills. He had begun talking about making a life in farming...

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: farm; farming; grain; silo; silos
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To: driftless2

The obvious answer is for the United States to immediately suspend all agricultural activity.


21 posted on 10/30/2012 4:46:44 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Real Cynic No More
Wetting it down? I don’t understand.

I'm no farmer but it looks to me as if "wetting it down", in addition to the spontaneous combustion possibility you mentioned, it might make conditions right for mold to thrive.

22 posted on 10/30/2012 4:49:31 AM PDT by Holly_P
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To: DemforBush

This requires a simple engineering solution, NOT a bunch ignorant regulations.


23 posted on 10/30/2012 4:53:05 AM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: DemforBush

I lost a friend a couple of years ago to a silo.

Drowned in corn doesn’t sound like a good way to go. He was older, 70 years old, and should have known better.

When your number comes up you answer God’s call.


24 posted on 10/30/2012 4:58:39 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: I still care

Love that movie. I think I’ll look on Netflix instant view.


25 posted on 10/30/2012 5:11:00 AM PDT by Mercat
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To: ClearCase_guy

“We are trying to live in a world where no one gets sick, no one dies, and no sad events ever occur.”

Somehow, the US population grew to be more immature over the years. Maybe that’s what happens when society becomes chronically bent towards political correctness.


26 posted on 10/30/2012 5:11:43 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: DemforBush

Farther down it’s just a push for more federal government. People at the NYT, who’ve probably never set foot on a farm much less try to make a living that way, want to dictate to farmers how to farm. Psssssst.


27 posted on 10/30/2012 5:12:52 AM PDT by libertylover (The problem with Obama is not that his skin is too black, it's that his ideas are too RED.)
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To: DemforBush

Silos and grain bins and hog pens were off limits on my grandfather’s farm to all of us grand-kids. Those were the rules that were iron-clad.


28 posted on 10/30/2012 5:18:16 AM PDT by Lady Heron
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To: G Larry
This requires a simple engineering solution, NOT a bunch ignorant regulations.

At what point does the professionl facility decide to implement that simple solution since they probably haven't already?

Merely saying "be careful up there" I spent almost 35 years in a Detroit stamping plant and have seen the results of awful industrial accidents in the press shop. Before OSHA came along, there was nothing to force companies to examine their processes and devise ways to make the work environment safer.

In the end, we had a trained HAZMAT team, a rapid response team, closed space training, and lockout training. All new employees were put thru a day of orientation and safety training.

Did all our OSHA programs eliminate accidents completely? Of course not but the industry was much safer to work in as a result of it.....

29 posted on 10/30/2012 5:23:20 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon.....)
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To: DemforBush

Ah, yes, the risk free life.


30 posted on 10/30/2012 5:27:49 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Real Cynic No More

I think it was because the air couldn’t get to it but I’m certain we sprayed it with water. Thanks for letting me see how to spell alfalfa. It’s been too many years and too early this morning. Regards.


31 posted on 10/30/2012 5:28:07 AM PDT by Portcall24
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To: DemforBush

Was always taught to be careful around silos. Climbing them alone was terrifying for me as I have acrophobia, but did it anyway.

And then there are PTO shafts. Yeesh. One of my high school friends was wrapped around one.


32 posted on 10/30/2012 5:28:30 AM PDT by Thorliveshere
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To: DemforBush

Sky-is-falling fear-mongering written by some elitist clown who thinks “silo” is Jennifer Lopez’ sister.


33 posted on 10/30/2012 5:34:48 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: DemforBush

The article refers to the accidents happening in “silos”, but it appears that these accidents in reality happened in grain bins that hold dried grain.

Traditional silos store ensiled fodder for feed—”silage”— that ferments and undergoes anerobic fermentation in order to be preserved from spoiling. The gases released during fermentation can provide deadly results, from both direct poisoning or from the consequenses of becoming overcome/unconscious while climbing into the silo. Traditional silos have hazzards that must be respected.

This story is more about entrapement and suffocation in dried grain stored in grain bins. Farmers are not going to call these structures “silos”, but the Times uses that imprecise term to make this hazzard appear like a greater threat than it actually is. The reporter has thus attempted to include traditional silos storing fermented fodder—that have their own distinctive hazzards—in with grain bins that store dried shelled corn or soybeans or other small grains and have the hazzard of entrapement for an individual that enters.


34 posted on 10/30/2012 5:37:20 AM PDT by leftcoaster
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To: DemforBush
What seems to be needed here is not more regulation, but some new technology.

The idea that a man (boy) must go inside these things to loosen stuck corn/grain is ludicrous. Most farms today have millions of dollars of equipment, yet they store their product in antiquated, dangerous silos.

Some way of vibrating a silo might be a solution. Vibration would settle the grain, shake the stuff off the sides, & safely collapse false domes/bridges. Yeah, it might cost some money, but so do dead workers & over-regulation.

This is America! Fix it!

35 posted on 10/30/2012 5:39:24 AM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: DemforBush

Living on the south-side of Chicago is a death trap, but the NYT doesn’t cry about that.


36 posted on 10/30/2012 5:41:29 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: DemforBush
I had a pal in the Navy that was a farmer and he told me a story of a storm that blew the top loose on their corn silo. After several weeks the water seeped to the bottom apparently fermented puddles formed at the base and the chickens drank heavily from the puddles. His mother looked out side and saw all her chickens dead. Instead of wasting them she plucked them for the stew pot. As she plucked the last chicken the already plucked flock began to come out of their drunken stupor. She had a flock of naked chickens running around. ( I don't know if the story is true, but it sure gave me a good laugh.)
37 posted on 10/30/2012 5:43:16 AM PDT by spudville
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To: leftcoaster

” Farmers are not going to call these structures “silos”, but the Times uses that imprecise term to make this hazzard appear like a greater threat than it actually is.”

There they go again, erring on the side of caution.


38 posted on 10/30/2012 5:46:57 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: DemforBush
That the deaths persist reveals continuing flaws in the enforcement of worker safety laws and weaknesses in rules meant to protect the youngest farmworkers.

The answer to every problem is government when you're the government.

39 posted on 10/30/2012 5:50:49 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the psychopath.)
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To: DemforBush

I don’t think we need big government on the farm, but farmers need a healthy lesson in industrial safety. Nearly all farm deaths are really industrial accidents and basic safety precautions could have prevented them. Just from the stories FReepers have mentioned;
1. Suspended load violations.
2. Confined space violations.
3. Material handling violations.
4. Chemical/Hazmat/MSDS violations.


40 posted on 10/30/2012 5:58:51 AM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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