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Diet and exercise are still good "in general" but didn't prevent heart attacks in people with diabetes.

In my personal opinion medical science today still doesn't know the original cause of diabetes and have a lot of misconceptions.

1 posted on 10/20/2012 10:35:59 AM PDT by Innovative
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Another interesting study:

Heart failure patients with diabetes may benefit from higher glucose levels

http://www.uclahealth.org/body.cfmid=561&action=detail&ref=1880

“The researchers found that for the diabetic heart failure patients, two-year event-free survival was highest among patients with the highest elevated glycosylated hemoglobin levels: a 65 percent survival rate for patients with Level 4 (greater than 8.6 percent of the marker) and a 61 percent survival rate for those with Level 3 (7.3 - 8.5 percent of the marker).

Patients with lower levels of the marker had worse survival rates: a 48 percent survival rate for patients with Level 1 (less than 6.4 percent of the marker) and a 42 percent survival rate for those with Level 2 (6.5 - 7.2 percent of the marker).

According to the researchers, the ideal level of glycosylated hemoglobin in heart failure patients with diabetes appears to be in the 8.3 - 8.9 percent range. Current national treatment targets aim much lower, at 7 percent.”


2 posted on 10/20/2012 10:40:21 AM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: neverdem

If I recall correctly, you have a health/diabetes ping list...


3 posted on 10/20/2012 10:41:09 AM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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I have never once met a 90+ year old person who exercised or was a vegetarian.
4 posted on 10/20/2012 10:41:33 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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Diet and exercise are still good "in general" but didn't prevent heart attacks in people with diabetes.

At least some overweight people with Type 2 diabetes have their blood sugars return to normal if they lose weight.It happened to me.I was told to lose 30 pounds and did so.Once that weight was gone I was taken off my diabetes medication *and* I was taken off all but one of my blood pressure meds and the one that wasn't discontinued was reduced to the lowest recommended dose.I asked my doctor about it and he said that it was very common to see those results after a noteworthy weight loss.

5 posted on 10/20/2012 10:43:38 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Ambassador Stevens Is Dead And The Chevy Volt Is Alive)
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Oh but they didn’t consult Doctor Mooshell!

She has all the dietary answers. What a waste of time. They could have made an appointment with her, and saved themselves all that trouble.

Just another example of government waste.

Paging Doctor Mooshell, Doctor Mooshell please pick up the pinko courtesy phone.


8 posted on 10/20/2012 10:45:38 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Fooled folks once didn't you. Revenge is spelled, "VOTE RED". You're going down donkeys...)
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The article indicates that people with type 2 diabetes have a 2 to 2.5 times likelihood of having a cardiac event. This is typically misleading. In the big scheme of things, the increase of risk may be from 2% to 4 or 5% which provides a little bit better perspective.


11 posted on 10/20/2012 10:51:37 AM PDT by Eleven Bravo 6 319thID
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The diet involved 1,200 to 1,500 calories a day
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participants assigned to the intensive exercise and diet program did lose about 5 percent of their weight

They put these people on starvation diets which they did NOT maintain and their weight loss was negligible.

Some study!

12 posted on 10/20/2012 10:51:43 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (To bid on this tagline space: www.jeffchandlerstaglinespace.com)
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Was it a low fat diet or a low sugar diet? There is a difference. One works and one does not.


14 posted on 10/20/2012 10:54:30 AM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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"The study participants assigned to the intensive exercise and diet program did lose about 5 percent of their weight and managed to keep it off during the study. That was enough to reduce cardiovascular risk factors. "

300 lb. individuals lost an average of 15 pounds? And the now trim, fit 285 pound individuals saw no significant effect on the incidence of heart attacks and strokes? Somehow, I am not shocked to learn this.

17 posted on 10/20/2012 10:56:34 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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These kinds of studies should be taken lightly until significantly more evidence is available.

I recall several years ago that a major state university released a study that broccoli was good for you.

That state university's ag department has several thousand acres of crops under cultivation. Care to guess what one of their major crops was?

18 posted on 10/20/2012 10:56:55 AM PDT by TomGuy (Dukakis is to tank as Obama is to binder & Big Bird)
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I think if anything we find that a one-size-fits-all mentality in medicine is what leads to ineffective (wasteful, unnecessary, sometimes harmful) treatment for many, many people.

Simply because not everyone’s bodies run at the same levels as others.

Look at the freaking eskimos. Cholesterol through the roof. they live well into old age. Environment and lifestyle and genetics and exposure to various other bacteria/virii all play a part and one-size-fits-all just don’t work.

The top pharma guys have admitted in interviews the most popular drugs work in only roughly half the people that take them, doesn’t do anything positive for the rest. They know this from their own studies.

Vaccines. Don’t get me started. The mega study that looked at over 20 studies across 50 years of the flu shot just showed that the shot only decreased chances of getting the flu by 4%. How effing great is that? It also destroyed the whole herd immunity bs argument as well.

Hell they can’t even figure out if eggs are good for you or not. they were, then they weren’t, then they were again.

The extra stress and unnecessary pressure the “medical experts” have put regular folks through, is enormous. Iatrogenic deaths in America are in the hundreds of thousands a year. Someone may be listed as having a heart attack asa cause of death, but what about the cause of the cause - like arterial calcification from statins, or the negative interactions of multiple medicines in the body (not yet discovered, maybe never)?


20 posted on 10/20/2012 10:58:22 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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Both Mom and Grandma told us that eating too much sugar would give you diabetes. Still think its a fact or at least a big contributor.


23 posted on 10/20/2012 11:00:40 AM PDT by X-spurt (It is truly time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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Diet and exercise are still good "in general" but didn't prevent heart attacks in people with diabetes.

To me, diet and exercise have always been quality of life issues, as opposed to longevity.

26 posted on 10/20/2012 11:03:25 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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I don’t suppose they mentioned any benefits of chocolate covered donuts!!!


31 posted on 10/20/2012 11:12:27 AM PDT by ontap
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As a type 2 diabetic, i’m not sure they even know with a high degree of certainty what it is. They know symptoms and can do some measuring that provides numbers. They can then correlate those numbers with various maladies.

I can testify that weight loss of about 15% and transition from a obese to overweight biomass yields decrease in various critical numbers. Those numbers already controlled to “normal” by drugs were reduced further by the diet and exercise. Diet meaning reduce carbs. Exercise meaning do something physical to raise your heart rate every day.

A primary difference is the elimination or serious reduction in acid indigestion. Sleep patterns change, more sleep, lest wakefulness at night.

The malfunction is complex and I believe related to all the various numbers being high not just blood sugar/A1c. Although still on the high end of over weight, I feel much better when I don’t eat too many carbs and get some vigorous exercise. The serious exercise I now face is raking leaves probably till the end of January


32 posted on 10/20/2012 11:13:18 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Present failure and impending death yield irrational action))
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http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504803_162-57404033-10391709/new-study-weight-loss-surgery-may-cure-diabetes/


34 posted on 10/20/2012 11:16:08 AM PDT by savedbygrace (But God.)
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I think the problem is that the human body tries to resist gradual change, so adapts to such schemes and adjusts for them.

Compare this to the radical approach to diabetes, in which, hospitalized for their own protection, diabetics were put on 600 calorie a day diets for eight weeks.

http://diabetes.webmd.com/news/20110624/very-low-calorie-diet-may-reverse-diabetes

It was too fast for the body to adapt, so they shed a lot of weight quickly, including the fat that had been inhibiting their insulin production.


44 posted on 10/20/2012 12:02:51 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (DIY Bumper Sticker: "THREE TIMES,/ DEMOCRATS/ REJECTED GOD")
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People who are overweight also live longer... I’m surprised the liberal meme was trumped by reality. Guess some scientists are still honorable.


54 posted on 10/20/2012 1:04:48 PM PDT by GOPJ
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My mother-in-law lived into her early 80’s after a diabetes vertic in her 50’s without taking meds. She did it through diet.

She inherited the disease. She was super self disciplined and smart enough to figure out the food chemistry. I would guess not everyone is the same as her. Her body demanded insulin for a few years before she passed away.


61 posted on 10/20/2012 4:49:16 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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I have an innovative solution to my diabetes Type II.

I am flooding my body with sugars and starches, so that it finally gets over itself, gives up and stops being diabetic.

72 posted on 10/21/2012 8:10:10 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The Pravda Press has gone from 'biased' straight on through to 'utterly bizarre'.)
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