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New site uses Ann, Mitt Romney to sell Mormon underwear copies
Los Angeles Times ^ | October 11, 2012 | Jenn Harris

Posted on 10/13/2012 12:57:37 PM PDT by Alex Murphy

The presidential campaign has placed a spotlight on the The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. “The Book of Mormon” musical is pushing the religion to the forefront of pop culture. And with Ann Romney’s recent appearance on “The Tonight Show with Jay Leno,” semi-secret Mormon undergarments are no longer so secret.

Not that Mrs. Romney’s underwear was showing. But the fact that it didn’t show under her sleek, knee-grazing skirt stirred up debate among some members of the faithful about whether she was or wasn’t wearing the “temple garments” required for most adult Mormons. That debate spilled onto some mainstream fashion websites, and suddenly the topic of Mormon underwear — not secret exactly, but certainly somewhat arcane to those outside the faith — was out nationally.

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There is an entire section of the LDS church handbook, which is readily available on the LDS church website, devoted to temple garments. The handbook states that the garments “provide protection against temptation and evil.”

“Endowed members should wear the temple garment both day and night,” the book says, and “not remove it, either entirely or partially, to work in the yard or for other activities that can reasonably be done with the garment worn properly beneath the clothing.”

The book’s admonition to “not adjust the garment or wear it contrary to instructions in order to accommodate different styles of clothing” is what got some members of the faith talking in a chat room after Ann Romney’s appearance on the Leno show.

Mrs. Romney’s body hugging, knee-grazing leather skirt looked to those in the know as if it wouldn’t accommodate the prescribed undergarments. The ensemble sparked debate in an online Mormon forum called Mormondiscussions.com, where users participated in a forum called “Why didn’t Ann Romney wear her garments…?”

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Not that Mrs. Romney’s underwear was showing. But the fact that it didn’t show under her sleek, knee-grazing skirt stirred up debate among some members of the faithful about whether she was or wasn’t wearing the “temple garments” required for most adult Mormons....

....There is an entire section of the LDS church handbook, which is readily available on the LDS church website, devoted to temple garments. The handbook states that the garments "provide protection against temptation and evil"....The book’s admonition to “not adjust the garment or wear it contrary to instructions in order to accommodate different styles of clothing” is what got some members of the faith talking in a chat room after Ann Romney’s appearance on the Leno show.

1 posted on 10/13/2012 12:57:44 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy

Depends?


2 posted on 10/13/2012 12:59:08 PM PDT by al baby (“If Barack Obama has a Harvard law degree, he didn’t earn that. Somebody else made that happen.”)
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Note that I did not include, in the excerpt, any references to the “New site” selling “copies”.


3 posted on 10/13/2012 12:59:53 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy

Why don’t they question Barack’s wedding ring?


4 posted on 10/13/2012 1:01:53 PM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: al baby
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5 posted on 10/13/2012 1:43:52 PM PDT by dragonblustar (Allah Ain't So Akbar!)
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To: Alex Murphy

“Why didn’t Ann Romney wear her garments…?”

Cause she speshall...


6 posted on 10/13/2012 2:13:18 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: lonestar

Why don’t they question Barack’s wedding ring?
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Cause Ann wears her own speshall ring...

CTR baby...

Crappy Temple Recommend...


8 posted on 10/13/2012 2:17:03 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Tennessee Nana

Pity you’re more concerned about Mormons than Muslims!


9 posted on 10/13/2012 2:47:43 PM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: lonestar

Good to see the LA Times doing in-depth research on the role of religion in the lives of presidential candidates. Always probing, always investigating — even Internet forums! Never fear, Mr. and Ms. America, the Fifth Estate will uncover the truth for you!


10 posted on 10/13/2012 3:05:34 PM PDT by qwertyz
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To: Alex Murphy

I have read some really Bullsheit Post in Free Republic, but this one takes the cake.

Since when is it anyone’s business what kind of underwear Mrs. Romney wears? Or for that matter whether or not she wears any at all.


11 posted on 10/13/2012 3:32:46 PM PDT by Venturer
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Special underwear that provides protection against temptation and evil......

Council of gods....

Planet Kolob....

Mormonism reads like a bad sci-fi novel.


12 posted on 10/13/2012 3:47:56 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom
like a bad sci-fi novel


13 posted on 10/13/2012 4:02:12 PM PDT by Lee N. Field (Come, behold the works of the LORD, how he has brought desolations on the earth.)
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To: Venturer
I have read some really ******** Post in Free Republic, but this one takes the cake. Since when is it anyone’s business what kind of underwear Mrs. Romney wears? Or for that matter whether or not she wears any at all.

It's similar to discussing why Catholics should (or shouldn't) wear a scapular - it's not about the article of clothing per se, but about whether the presence/absence of the article is indicative of devotion and obedience to the religion.

Knowing the design and instructions regarding the sacred undergarments, questions arose concerning her faithfulness since her outer clothing that night should have revealed them.

14 posted on 10/13/2012 4:22:03 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
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I guess she just cannot win with the turkeys who are determined to make a case against her. Had she worn them they would have made a big deal of her panty lines.

It’s funny they think Wide Load is the height of fashion with her Boob belts and crazy colored shoes.


15 posted on 10/13/2012 4:39:22 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: Alex Murphy

File this under “Who gives a f***?”


16 posted on 10/13/2012 4:59:07 PM PDT by Larry Lucido (Romney/Ryan 2012)
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"...where users participated in a forum called “Why didn’t Ann Romney wear her garments…?”

Only a PERVERT cares about their undies!

What I want to know is whether the Romneys ate any MEAT this summer!!

17 posted on 10/13/2012 5:38:46 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: lonestar
Pity you’re more concerned about Mormons than Muslims!

“I Will Be a Second Mohammed”

In the heat of the Missouri “Mormon War” of 1838, Joseph Smith made the following claim, “I will be to this generation a second Mohammed, whose motto in treating for peace was ‘the Alcoran [Koran] or the Sword.’ So shall it eventually be with us—‘Joseph Smith or the Sword!’ ”[1]

It is most interesting that a self-proclaimed Christian prophet would liken himself to Mohammed, the founder of Islam. His own comparison invites us to take a closer look as well. And when we do, we find some striking—and troubling—parallels. Consider the following.

  • Mohammed and Joseph Smith both had humble beginnings. Neither had formal religious connections or upbringing, and both were relatively uneducated. Both founded new religions by creating their own scriptures. In fact, followers of both prophets claim these scriptures are miracles since their authors were the most simple and uneducated of men.[2]

  • Both prophets claim of having angel visitations, and of receiving divine revelation to restore pure religion to the earth again. Mohammed was told that both Jews and Christians had long since corrupted their scriptures and religion. In like manner, Joseph Smith was told that all of Christianity had become corrupt, and that consequently the Bible itself was no longer reliable. In both cases, this corruption required a complete restoration of both scripture and religion. Nothing which preceded either prophet could be relied upon any longer. Both prophets claim they were used of God to restore eternal truths which once existed on earth, but had been lost due to human corruption.

  • Both prophets created new scripture which borrowed heavily from the Bible, but with a substantially new “spin.” In his Koran, Mohammed appropriates a number of Biblical themes and characters—but he changes the complete sense of many passages, claiming to “correct” the Bible. In so doing he changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place. In like manner, Joseph Smith created the Book of Mormon, much of which is plagiarized directly from the King James Bible. Interestingly, the Book of Mormon claims that this same Bible has been substantially corrupted and is therefore unreliable. In addition, Joseph Smith went so far as to actually create his own version of the Bible itself, the “Inspired Version,” in which he both adds and deletes significant portions of text, claiming he is “correcting” it. In so doing he also changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place.

  • As a part of their new scriptural “spin,” both prophets saw themselves as prophesied in scripture, and both saw themselves as a continuation of a long line of Biblical prophets. Mohammed saw himself as a continuation of the ministry of Moses and Jesus. Joseph Smith saw himself as a successor to Enoch, Melchizedek, Joseph and Moses. Joseph Smith actually wrote himself into his own version of the Bible—by name.

  • Both prophets held up their own scripture as superior to the Bible. Mohammed claimed that the Koran was a perfect copy of the original which was in heaven. The Koran is therefore held to be absolutely perfect, far superior to the Bible and superceding it. In like manner, Joseph Smith also made the following claim. “I told the Brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding its precepts, than by any other book.”[3]

  • Despite their claim that the Bible was corrupt, both prophets admonished their followers to adhere to its teachings. An obvious contradiction, this led to selective acceptance of some portions and wholesale rejection of others. As a result, the Bible is accepted by both groups of followers only to the extent that it agrees with their prophet’s own superior revelation.

  • Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith taught that true salvation was to be found only in their respective religions. Those who would not accept their message were considered “infidels,” pagans or Gentiles. In so doing, both prophets became the enemy of genuine Christianity, and have led many people away from the Christ of the Bible.

  • Both prophets encountered fierce opposition to their new religions and had to flee from town to town because of threats on their lives. Both retaliated to this opposition by forming their own militias. Both ultimately set up their own towns as model societies.

  • Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith left unclear instructions about their successors. The majority of Mohammed’s followers, Sunni Muslims, believe they were to elect their new leader, whereas the minority, Shiite Muslims, look to Alī ibn Abī Ṭālib, whom they consider Divinely appointed, as the rightful successor to Muhammad, and the first imam. (Ali was the cousin and son-in-law of the Islamic prophet Muhammad). Similarly, the majority of Joseph Smith's followers, Mormons, believed their next prophet should have been the existing leader of their quorum of twelve apostles, whereas the minority, RLDS, believed Joseph Smith's own son should have been their next prophet. Differences on this issue, and many others, have created substantial tension between these rival groups of each prophet.

  • Mohammed taught that Jesus was just another of a long line of human prophets, of which he was the last. He taught that he was superior to Christ and superceded Him. In comparison, Joseph Smith also made the following claim.

“I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him, but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet.”[4] In light of these parallels, perhaps Joseph Smith's claim to be a second Mohammed unwittingly became his most genuine prophecy of all.


[1] Joseph Smith made this statement at the conclusion of a speech in the public square at Far West, Missouri on October 14, 1838. This particular quote is documented in Fawn M. Brodie, No Man Knows My History, second edition, (New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1971), p. 230–231. Fawn Brodie’s footnote regarding this speech contains valuable information, and follows. “Except where noted, all the details of this chapter [16] are taken from the History of the [Mormon] Church. This speech, however, was not recorded there, and the report given here is based upon the accounts of seven men. See the affidavits of T.B. Marsh, Orson Hyde, George M. Hinkle, John Corrill, W.W. Phelps, Samson Avard, and Reed Peck in Correspondence, Orders, etc., pp. 57–9, 97–129. The Marsh and Hyde account, which was made on October 24, is particularly important. Part of it was reproduced in History of the [Mormon] Church, Vol. III, p. 167. See also the Peck manuscript, p. 80. Joseph himself barely mentioned the speech in his history; see Vol. III, p. 162.”

[2] John Ankerberg & John Weldon, The Facts on Islam, (Eugene, OR: Harvest House Publishers, 1998), pp.8–9. Eric Johnson, Joseph Smith & Muhammed, (El Cajon, CA: Mormonism Research Ministry, 1998), pp. 6–7.

[3] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.4, pp.461.

[4] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.6, pp.408–409.




19 posted on 10/13/2012 5:43:29 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: lonestar
Pity you’re more concerned about Mormons than Muslims!

The pity is that some folks seem to be more worried about the Head instead of the Soul.

20 posted on 10/13/2012 5:44:32 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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