Posted on 09/28/2012 9:34:47 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
I can't take it anymore! It's time to set the record straight:
I am, officially and categorically, in the infamous 47% tax bracket. You know, the one everybody assumes are moochers, users and takers. The main factor that has not been incorporated into the argument is choice. As you cannot choose your tax bracket, I did not and cannot choose mine.
What I pay doesn't and shouldn't brand my integrity.
Both parties have liberally slathered my character as a usable calculation to their cause. Do the Democrats think that by dangling 'freebie carrots' they have my vote? Why do the Republicans write me off as a lost cause due to my eligibility for entitlement programs? It is our choices not our 'classes' (an old Soviet term) that define us.
I was gathering signatures on the petition to recall Gray Davis. Before the Tea Party emerged on the public scene, I was an attendant at the "Heads On A Stick" rallies hosted by John & Ken (local LA talk show hosts) protesting corrupt California politicians. I emerged with the Tea Party as I rallied at various representative townhalls protesting against Obama Care and standing shoulder-to- shoulder against SEIU paid thugs to keep us at distance.
I have never filed or used food stamps - I shop wisely.
I do not claim extra dependents on my tax forms for more deductions. I do not file 'earned income tax credits' where I would get a hefty check from the government come year's end. If you're not familiar with it, look it up. It will make your blood boil! I do not use the emergency room even when I've been advised to go. Amazing how I didn't need the stitches that everyone so adamantly assured me were necessary.
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That evil social security group was the only age group that voted republican against Obama (and by a wide margin), so why do you think that they support the democrats on the issues like SS reform, like your age group does?
You can take all the misguided impressions you want. Your data are so four years ago and hold no sway in this case.
This isn’t about “Obama”; it is about a tax code that is fundamentally bent and ‘progressive’ that allows a major portion of the citizens of this country to LEGALLY pay no federal income taxes at all for the benefits thereof they receive.
My post qualified that if she was not a NET taxpayer (Federal Income tax), then she was not paying what I’d say is her fair share. In other words, any benefit she receives from being a national citizen is paid for by someone else - that part of the Federal cost is not borne by her.
That’s okay if it is voluntarily given by the rest, but it is not. The money for her support, however intangible is paid for by others (if she does not, in fact, pay ANY federal income taxes).
Depends how you define it. I don't support raising taxes so that OVERALL people are paying more taxes. In most cases, we should be able to lower taxes on the people who are "overpaying" to flatten things out without raising taxes. But if someone has been given an unfair break then it might have to be taken away.
If Obama said all blacks will pay no taxes from now on as reparations, it would be technically raising taxes on somebody to take that break away later. But it has to be done to be fair to everyone else.
GE is apparently currently paying no taxes due to being a good crony capitalist and getting favored tax policy written into law. That's not fair to small businesses who don't have the same access they do. As long as these deductions and exemptions exist, people will be able to bribe politicians to get ones that favor them.
They might not be voting Democrat, but enough of them opposed Bush's social security reform to kill it. As we have learned especially since Bush Sr. raised taxes, being an "R" doesn't mean you always support the right policy. The country needs to get behind any given policy and the way SS reforms were blocked under Bush was unconscionable.
And I'm afraid you are part of the problem.
Creating a straw man and beating on it is the tactic of an immature and ignorant mind.
No one I know of has suggested that the poor pay 10% income tax.
BUT ZERO% CAN NEVER BE A "FAIR" SHARE.
Most of us must and do pay taxs on what we actually earn, but in addition, also on any value in kind obtained from any source whatseoever.
Why is the army of professional parasites exempt?
No skin in the game, and you can be CERTAIN that they will vote for and support any and all tax increases proposed --- on everyone else.
It does not take a rocket scientist to see the nexus.
Look, I know that we as common citizens can’t do anything about the tax code. There are too many freeloaders now.
However, that doesn’t mean that I have to accept someone who is “stigmatized” by legally being in that 47% but having a ‘good heart’.
It is analogous to someone in the grocery store watching everyone else in the Candy Bar aisle grabbing their favorite candy bar and eating it in front of a cop - with the cop doing nothing....doesn’t make it right because established authority is in on it.....”It’s legal, I guess because it’s ‘legal’” munch munch...
The store owner just covers the ‘aisle munchie’ losses by raising the price of everything else in the store to cover the losses.....that’s okay with you, right?
What Romney should now explain are the reasons why many of those 47% ers on fixed incomes must go on food stamps and apply for other “benefits” such as energy assistance etc.
The price of ; goods, services ,food, as well as the cost, use, and types of of energy resources, particularly coal,and oil, have all been driven up by Obama through his endless edicts, use of regulations and prohibitions. These are all designed to change the systems of distribution and use of pleantiful resources to conform to a socialist scheme or ideal. Without any regard to the consequences.
After all let US remember “To make an omlet ..”one must break a few eggs” and the one who made that remark. Explaining his murdering of millions to seize their land to conform to a socialist idea of wealth and food distribution. That went praised by The New Tork Times.
I am curious how many FReepers are part of the blanket 47%. You damn well know it’s a healthy chunk. Many commenters here find the nooks and crannies within the blanket 47% to hide, but that does not change the epic stupidity of lumping in hundreds of thousands of hard working conservatives who make up the blanket 47%.
If you want a conservative policy implemented, then work on your democrat voting age group, and direct less criticism at the conservative voting age group.
Rather than promoting raising the tax burden on the poor, you should be working to lower taxes on the better off.
I have a couple nearly lifelong acquaintances who are bitter, venomous lefties. They spit when they say Bush and they sneer and practically foam when they say Palin.
They hate Romney worse than Achmadinejad.
They work hard and have raised and sent kids off to college, but I don’t know how much of their tuition they cover. He owns and operates an outdoor-based business and she is self-employed and puts on events often (not always) involving rich Hollywood folks.
They have a home in town and a business building, along with a couple shop-type structures. They have a small second home which was purchased as a hunting base but is now rented out (for good money) to oilfield workers. They have a third stucco home (couple bedrooms, garage, yard, fence, very nice) down in the southwest, purchased just last year as a getaway place, and they are in the process of purchasing another (very basic) hunting cabin in another state.
They work hard and have made smart moves. But they depend heavily on (and value very much) the EPA, Forest Service, US Fish & Wildlife and the Ag Department, and other federal agencies (DOT, DOD and so on) as do we all.
They don’t pay federal income tax. They write off everything they possibly can. They don’t pay for the federal government services they depend on. They hate the candidates that I tend to support, they hate anyone with money unless that person is a leftwinger, they despise people like me who pay their federal tax bill for them and have the temerity to wonder why.
Are they moochers? Tell you what-—they think Obamacare is great, they think Obamaphones are funny, they think the poor and nonwhite are deserving of something extra, they think the “rich” have it coming, they secretly think I’m a sucker and that I probably cheat my country just as they do because “everybody does.” They do not care where federal money goes (unless it was one of George Bush’s wars) and they are quite sure Obama will bring an end to dependence on oil (not foreign oil—OIL) within the next several years.
Are they moochers? You tell me. They are far from alone, I’ll tell you that.
Yes I believe the store owner has the right to do what he wants in his store. If he wants to give away free candy that is his choice. If he does not want people eating his candy without paying he can file charges of theft. If I did not like the fact that he charges more because he gives away candy I would shop some where else. The cop cannot stop people from eating free candy the store owner has the right to make that decision.
Your desire to raise taxes is the wrong idea, your entire clinging to the ridiculous idea of a neat little 47% is wrong.
I almost wonder if your income group was one that voted for Obama.
It’s a provable number as a generic tent.
You fall into that tent. Are a moocher? Doesn’t sound like it but, how do we discern what the actual percentage is, in your group, who are doing just fine without government freebies.
The salient point is there are many others in your group who demanding that the 53% who do pay federal income tax are under constant assault “To Pay Their Fair Share”.
That means we actually contribute, today, to the Federal income tax scheme either through direct work or capital gains.
I reminded of a time when I was driving to Atlanta and as I drove the Natchez area of Missouri seeing all these “Shanty Houses”. I mean, they used paper and other scrap material to cover their houses where, I guess, the home needed repair.
I thought “Geeze, this is America. No reason anyone should live like that and no need for all these outhouses in an entire neighborhood”.
I’m also thinking, at the time, “Hell, we have all these welfare programs that could really help them”.
So I stopped one day and asked a fella who was doing something in his yard “Hey, could I ask you a question?”.
Old man smiled and said “Sure”.
“I’m not trying to be rude but we have a lot of government programs, welfare and such and you could live in a much nicer place. Have you ever considered asking for something that might help? We do pay taxes so you can get these things.”
He smiled and said “yep, young man, we could ask the government for a lot of things. Use to think it would make my life a littler easier. But, you see this home and the dirt here have been in my family three generations. Same as most of the people on this street. If we ask the government for anything then they’ll take this away because the home away so I can get from them what I make anyway”.
“No, this is my family’s home and I’ll pass it to my son. But, I make enough and don’t really need more”.
“When you take from the devil there’s all kinds of things that happen that you didn’t think about and ain’t none of them good”
“Pride in one’s work and keeping busy are good for your character and your soul”.
So I smiled understanding this man’s ethos, thanked him for sharing and left knowing that indeed, there is good in working and not being beholding to the government or anyone.
I also wondered if this man wasn’t a better man than me and if he didn’t fit the American ideal of Self Determination;
Life - lived as he saw fit without interference
Liberty - he was beholden to no one when he got through with his day, week, month and ultimately years.
Happiness - He had all he needed, was truly grateful(how you get to happiness) and God had blessed him by supplying all he needed.
To this day I admire him for he was truly a rich man.
LOL
You haven’t heard from then.
I believe everyone should pay 10% but, how do you quantify that on someone who has no income?
You can’t so the rest of pay the taxes.
I’ll go along with you on a flat tax and no deductions or credits. But the first 20 or 40 grand should be tax free. And the flat rate for income earned after that should be very low. Of course, government needs to be chopped down to a small fraction of what it currently is.
see post 16
No one I know of has suggested that the poor pay 10% income tax.
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You know full well the Limbaugh line of thought is that EVERYONE pay something.
I believe that everyone SHOULD pay something. If you want to take out of the pot then you sure as hell better be putting something into the pot.
That is the problem with social security. So many people take more out then they put in.
Do you believe that someone who doesn’t contribute to society should be able to benefit from what others pay into society?
To me that sounds like liberal talk.
My landlord was an Iranian nutcase. And we are talking about an Upper East Side building, not some dump. The Iranian was also a slumlord. You couldn’t talk to that loser if you tried.
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