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Queens man dies after attacking kickboxing gas-station clerk
NY Post ^ | 7 Sept 2012 | GEORGETT ROBERTS, NATASHA VELEZ and BOB FREDERICKS

Posted on 09/08/2012 6:27:01 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici

He picked the wrong guy to mess with.

A drunken Queens man went berserk after he couldn’t get an ATM to work at a gas station early yesterday and was killed when he turned his rage to the attendant — a former competitive kickboxer.

“I feel bad. I didn’t mean for the guy to die. He called me a Taliban,” said Jasjeet Walia, who was released from custody last night after being grilled by cops all day.

“I feel like throwing up. I’m having a bad headache,” said Walia, an amateur kickboxer for seven years in his native Mumbai.

Arzeno had just collected a bundle of cash from a police-brutality suit against the NYPD.

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: brutality; kickboxing; police; queens
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To: spetznaz

I’m a Dillman guy :<) ... and student of the late great Wally Jay. Now Leon Jay (his son) since Master W. Jay past away ... Small Circle plus Modern Arnis. As far as the points ... very easy to use even in real life ... practice practice practice. FYI vagus nerve is next to point “stomach 9” earth meridian ... very deadly Dim Mak point.


61 posted on 09/08/2012 10:33:34 AM PDT by clamper1797 (I mourn for the America I grew up in ..fought for ..and loved ..July 4 1776- June 28 2012)
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To: VeniVidiVici
Plenty of people without martial arts training kill folks in fistfights.

I hit a man in the temple with a right hook in 1985 at aged 27 and it almost killed him...the blood loss from busting the temporal artery was severe...and went down like a sack of taters..he coulda died....and I ain't all that

Training gives one an edge but I have seen a good brawler with some sweep talents and a ground game beat snot out of a black belter kicker...and I mean quick

Which is likely why most of the MMA guys today mix it up so much.

Who knows what really happened here...my creed was always baring mitigating circumstance that if a guy went down then it was done

anyone..if you get on them and pound away or head kick or throat kick when down can be killed...that and choke outs

this notion though about deadly weapon is just Bruce Lee ate a half pound of hash style urban legend

62 posted on 09/08/2012 10:43:05 AM PDT by wardaddy (this white hair don't cover up my redneck......)
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To: VeniVidiVici

Darwin Award candidate?


63 posted on 09/08/2012 10:48:03 AM PDT by redhead (Guns don't kill people...Planned Parenthood kills people.)
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To: 1010RD; All
I think you are the first, and may be the only, one to see the video. The attendant was chasing the purp; making the purp into a victim. Definitely a law suit coming on the attendant.
64 posted on 09/08/2012 10:56:33 AM PDT by celmak (Good one!)
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To: VeniVidiVici

Just dumb. RIP.


65 posted on 09/08/2012 11:12:30 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (If you like lying Socialist dirtbags, you'll love Slick Willard)
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To: Texas Fossil

I promise you, if you google “sikh honour killing” or “sikh honor killing Britain” you will find a number of articles.

And if you google “Air India 182” or “babbar khalsa” you will also find a number of articles.

Your skepticism is understandable. But with so many search engines available, why not try one before expressing doubt? It’s a more certain way to learn something than waiting for a reply.


66 posted on 09/08/2012 11:15:46 AM PDT by heartwood
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To: 1010RD

I agree. When you watch the video, it is obviously NOT self-defense. If I shot a man in those circumstances, I’d be lucky if manslaughter was all I was charged with. I suspect it would be at least 2nd degree murder...


67 posted on 09/08/2012 11:27:30 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Liberalism: "Ex faslo quodlibet" - from falseness, anything follows)
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To: VeniVidiVici
"He called me a Taliban"

This guy's a jem: kills a drunk for calling him a name.

Put his butt behind bars.

The Kenyan must go.

68 posted on 09/08/2012 2:04:48 PM PDT by ex91B10 (We've tried the Soap Box,the Ballot Box and the Jury Box; ONE BOX LEFT!)
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To: clamper1797

Obviously you either are or were proponent of George Dilliman’s karate training. I used to go to Dillman seminars up to the point where he got all “mystical”. The last straw for me when he tried to convince me you could do a “no touch” knock out by throwing or emitting “chi”. When he started selling that at seminars and I then watched his “school-of-martial-training-and-thought” devolve into a quasi-religion complete with adoring disciples and with him as the prophet. Needless to say I quit paying any attention. It’s sad for me because I really enjoyed his seminars and he did put on a road of completely redefining my understanding of my past training. I give him kudos for that. Now he sells “magic” and I am not buying! That National Geopgrahic special where he made a fool of himself where he said the “throwing of Chi” didn’t work because the “chi tosser” did have his big toe raised or his tongue placed at the roof of his mouth. I was simply appalled for Sensei Dillman. But he did it to himself!


69 posted on 09/08/2012 2:44:53 PM PDT by Reily
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To: celmak

With such an account, now it becomes a surprise why the clerk wasn’t later arrested when police saw the video, even if the clerk’s story seemed to make sense.


70 posted on 09/08/2012 2:47:32 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: Reily

The paranormal is like that. It almost acts as though there was a wayward will behind it. Nobody can haul it into a lab and prove it, because its agent does not want it to be proven.

Anyhow, I would stick with the physical. Chi chops would be a bit much to try to depend upon.


71 posted on 09/08/2012 2:49:47 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (let me ABOs run loose, lew (or is that lou?))
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To: central_va
That ain't a throwin' knife.

That be a kukhri (sp?) knife, the ones the Gurkhas use to mess people up with.

As in dismembered and decapitated, without throwing anything.

72 posted on 09/08/2012 2:56:43 PM PDT by OKSooner
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To: DesertRhino
But no, im not a racist, im a culturalist

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Call it what you will.

73 posted on 09/08/2012 2:57:45 PM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: wardaddy
I had a handful of bar-fights when I was 18-20 (back when it was one-on-one and the loser bought) and I saw a lot more.

I stopped when I realized that a dope who never threw a punch could knock a guy down, that guy could hit his head on cement and die...it happens, especially when booze is in the mix...that makes the one-punch-wonder-dope a killer.

74 posted on 09/08/2012 3:07:33 PM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: heartwood

Take a look through youTube at pressure point knockout revival techniques. What a pressure point knockout does is either block, flood, or re-direct energy. In the case of a strike that stops the heart ... the energy which causes the heart to beat has been re-directed or blocked. The energy must be “reset” to flow in the proper manner. This is shown in several youtubes. DO NOT attempt this without LOTS and LOTS and LOTS of training. A well trained martial artist can revive USUALLY a person after single or double meridian strike. With a triple meridian strike the odds go to 50-50 ... a 4 meridian strike odds are very low of revival and iun the case of a 5 merdian strike ... call the coroner. All these strikes ... including the 5 meridian strike can be performed in less that a second (kyusho-jitsu) by a well trained martial artist ... and if done right ... even the video camera will not see what happened.


75 posted on 09/08/2012 3:18:02 PM PDT by clamper1797 (I mourn for the America I grew up in ..fought for ..and loved ..July 4 1776- June 28 2012)
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To: heartwood

Take a look through youTube at pressure point knockout revival techniques. What a pressure point knockout does is either block, flood, or re-direct energy. In the case of a strike that stops the heart ... the energy which causes the heart to beat has been re-directed or blocked. The energy must be “reset” to flow in the proper manner. This is shown in several youtubes. DO NOT attempt this without LOTS and LOTS and LOTS of training. A well trained martial artist can revive USUALLY a person after single or double meridian strike. With a triple meridian strike the odds go to 50-50 ... a 4 meridian strike odds are very low of revival and iun the case of a 5 merdian strike ... call the coroner. All these strikes ... including the 5 meridian strike can be performed in less that a second (kyusho-jitsu) by a well trained martial artist ... and if done right ... even the video camera will not see what happened.


76 posted on 09/08/2012 3:19:32 PM PDT by clamper1797 (I mourn for the America I grew up in ..fought for ..and loved ..July 4 1776- June 28 2012)
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To: Reily

I am a Prof Dillman student but don’t do the “mystical” no touch knockouts. The raising of the heel (cat stance) and the rolling of the tongue does work. Have someone turn your head at the neck ... then roll your tongue and touch the roof of your mouth with the tip and have the person try to turn your head again. Feel the difference. I occasionally demo a “chi” stealing technique for friends. But it involves touch.


77 posted on 09/08/2012 3:27:13 PM PDT by clamper1797 (I mourn for the America I grew up in ..fought for ..and loved ..July 4 1776- June 28 2012)
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To: clamper1797
I will have to try that. I an skeptical but I will try it.
Anyway I do remember him saying you have to raise your big toe not the heel. Until given some evidence all I see “chi” being is good body posture and mechanics where you maximize mechanical advantage over your opponents. I came to this realization through several years of practicing Chen Tai Chi & Gao Bagua. In these “soft” martial arts the forms are training for learning to move with maximum mechanical efficiency so your throws and joint locks are as strong as your body will allow. (Not that I am claiming I ever became any sort of martial art “lethal weapon”. It takes a long time, a proper instruction and lots of "martial application" practice to do this properly.)
78 posted on 09/08/2012 4:46:27 PM PDT by Reily
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To: virgil

>> The use of martial arts may bring into question how much force was used on the drunk.

Never a question when enforcement opens fire on the annoyed pedestrian.


79 posted on 09/08/2012 4:52:29 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
the paranormal is 2 normals....it you had 3 it would be trianormal!
80 posted on 09/08/2012 4:53:14 PM PDT by Reily
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