Posted on 09/05/2012 2:42:50 AM PDT by EBH
It didn't take long for the Internet to start buzzing with conspiracy theories after the Social Security Administration posted a notice that it was purchasing 174,000 hollow-point bullets.
Why is the agency that provides benefits to retirees, disabled workers, widows and children stockpiling ammunition? Whom are they going to use it on?
"It's not outlandish to suggest that the Social Security Administration is purchasing the bullets as part of preparations for civil unrest," the website Infowars.com said...
...The bullets are for Social Security's office of inspector general, which has about 295 agents who investigate Social Security fraud and other crimes, said Jonathan L. Lasher, the agency's assistant IG for external relations.
The agents carry guns and make arrests — 589 last year, Lasher said. They execute search warrants and respond to threats against Social Security offices, employees and customers.
Agents carry .357 caliber pistols, Lasher said. The bullets, which add up to about 590 per agent, are for the upcoming fiscal year. Most will be expended on the firing range.
Some bloggers have taken issue with the type of ammunition the agency is buying, questioning why agents need hollow-point bullets. Hollow-points are known for causing more tissue damage than other bullets when they hit a person because they expand when they enter the body.
The bullets, however, are standard issue for many law enforcement agencies, Lasher said, a fact confirmed by the directors of two law enforcement training centers...
"Six hundred rounds per year for training, qualification and I would assume to carry on duty is not out of line at all," said John W. Worden,
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No, the Hague.
The reason it wouldn’t apply to our own ‘lovely’ SSA is because a) it’s not military, and b) the Hague covers only war-combat (ie conflicts of the signatory states).
Agreed; that and many other government agencies... and then hammering down on government violators of the law like nobody’s business.
(ie make people think “hell no, I ain’t going into government; one little slip-up and I’m a felon!”)
I believe the caskets were already ordered in 2008 and again in 2011 to be ready by the end of 2012.
Good info. Thanks.
Why can’t SSA just bring along a local cop or deputy to make the actual arrest, once they identify a miscreant?
Having an organic police force for something so “tame” as Social Security or the Department of Education is wildly wasteful.
Then again, just how many federal police officers are there, in total? If SSA can add 300 to the mix, just how many gummint “redcoats” are we talking here? Something tells me there is one hell of a civilian army at Obummer’s command!
ONLY 590 rounds of hollow-points per agent! What’s to worry about? /sarc
No one should be surprised by this. He’s doing what he promised to do:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2118371/posts
We should petetion the U.N. to look into this!
I’m sure S.S. offices get “held up” all the time! /sarc
They bought .357 Sig semi-automatic pistol rounds, NOT .357 Magnum REVOLVER rounds. Big difference. 590 rounds per ‘agent’, that’s 11 boxes off the shelf, and yes, when firing semi-automatic weapons, you can go through a box or two as a private citizen. I agree that JUST buying hollow point ammunition, does not fit the need for ‘range time’, since hollow point ammunition for a private person, can go from $20 for 20 rounds, which is not cheap!
I still think that the same government that gave us Fast and Furious, is using as many departments’ budgets to acquire a VAST amount of hollowpoint ammunition, and do intend it to be unleashed upon the American populace.
Now I ‘get it’, why a lot of folks, unlike me, are really serious in purchasing semi-automatic rifles. Me? My John Wayne rifle is good enough, having done my Ar/AK time in SouthEast Asia.
Cost containment or end-of-life care, depending on which end of it you're on.
Having law enforcement officers dedicated to investigating fraud is a far cry from SSA being "militarized".
Cut the hysterics.
Most will be expended on the firing range.
Umm excuse me?
They are going to use JHP on the range instead of cheaper ammo?
Sounds like a load of Barack to me. [Please excuse the bad language]
They’re forbidden in war due to international treaties on warfare that the US signed over a century ago - law enforcement is not bound by said treaties. And that is probably a good things - hollow points help prevent the possibility of over-penetration, which means that they have become de facto standard for police.
ROFL. Nice sidling around the issue at hand. Now repeat once more:”I’m from the government; I’m here to help you.” By the way that bridge is till for sale . . .
No, the Laws of Land Warfare apply only to unformed combatants. And, further more, the military uses 2000lb HE bombs against personnel, so what would a hollow point do that isn’t already beng done? In fact, much of our ammunition in use today is not solid/full metal jacketed projectiles. Snipers use match bullets which are in fact hollow point commercial bullets, improved rifle ammunition for general use includes similar bullets and a new round is a steel pointed, copper/zinc alloy (gilding metal) main component round (M855A1) that is designed to both penetrate hard barriers as well as produce increased lethality in soft (human) targets. The conventions restrict projectiles which are intended to create superfluous wounds designed to increase suffering. Ours are designed to incapacitate quicker, with fewer hits, thereby reducing the excessive wounding of enemy combatants/illegal combatants; the goal being to stop them from harming our troops more effectively (after all, it is combat).
Anyway, our enemies and militaries around the world use projectiles designed to increase wounding charatceristics by use of materials or design or both, some within and some outside of, convention protocols.
Any weapon issued to a US warrior by our military is able to be legally used against any individual enemy, although using a $500k 2000lb GPS guided precision air delivered munition against a threat person in the open when a sniper with a $2 match round is available, in range and able to engage may be a waste of resources....
they need it why? “investigating fraud”? if/when they discover some, it’ll be catch and release like ICE and illegals,Black Panthers and voter intimidation, or whatever other crime you can think of committed by a ‘disenfrancised minority’ ...hell, the gubmint is running ads to get MORE people to sign up for entitlement programs.
I am not worried about the purchase of this relatively small amount of ammo by this agency .
What truly worries me is the 1.2+ Billion rounds being purchased by the Dept. of Homeland Security . Bearing in mind the the most ammo used by the DoD in a 2 front war in jihadistan was a mere 70 million rounds .
That is than 10 times the amount the army & marines expended in 2 active war zones & they say trust us we know whats best for you.
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