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If the Birther Issue Comes Up in Debate
American Thinker ^ | August 27, 2012 | Jack Cashill

Posted on 08/27/2012 12:59:06 AM PDT by Flotsam_Jetsome

Although some on the right were disappointed that Romney did not pursue this, he was wise not to. This was not the right time. The right time is during a debate. At least one moderator will find Romney's bait irresistible, and I am guessing it will be CNN's Candy Crowley. What follows is a proposed strategy for the Hofstra University debate on October 16. My guess is that Romney has pretty much figured it out already, thus the remark in Michigan:

CC: Governor Romney, in Michigan you told a crowd of supporters, "No one has ever asked to see my birth certificate." Don't you believe that the birth certificate President Obama presented last year is valid?

MR: I have questions about its validity, but that is not why I raised the issue.

CC: Why did you, then? Weren't you afraid that some people, minorities and immigrants especially, will see that as a subtle attack on President Obama because of his race?

MR: Candy, not at all. No one ever asked to see Jesse Jackson's birth certificate when he ran for president or Al Sharpton's when he ran. And they are both black, both proud representatives of the president's party. I raised that issue because of the unique uncertainty surrounding Obama's early years. I know I was born and raised in Michigan. I said as much. I would ask you or the president himself to tell us where he spent the first year of his life.

CC: Mr. President?

BO: Um, um, I am not sure I understand why this question is relevant.

CC: Governor?

MR: It is relevant because President Obama built his 2008 campaign, indeed his very persona, around the fact that he was born into a happy multicultural home. . .

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: corruption; elections; naturalborncitizen; obama
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To: mkjessup

oh, mkjessup, just apologize and correct yourself. She wasn’t a whore. First of all she gave it away. That makes her a communist slut.

Mmm, mmm, mmm barack hussein obama.
Mmm, mmm, mmm, black daddy and white mama.
Mmm, mmm, mmm, who was always on her back.
Mmm, mmm, mmm, for any commie who was black.

And that ain’t racist because it’s the truth.


161 posted on 08/27/2012 3:51:12 PM PDT by Terry Mross (To all my relatives and former friends: Do not contact me if you still love obama.)
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To: butterdezillion

He did? I just checked. He didn’t.


162 posted on 08/27/2012 4:00:56 PM PDT by driftless2
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To: Steven Tyler
Stanley Anne was known at Ledbedders (sp??) Bar, Hotel Street, Hawaii.

There was a place called Bill Lederer's Bar located in the Perry Block on Nuuanu Ave. and Hotel St. in downtown Honolulu. Opened 1940, closed 1985. I hadn't heard the account of Stanley Anne hanging out there. Any details?

163 posted on 08/27/2012 4:19:03 PM PDT by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: American Constitutionalist
"America ? You didn’t birth THAT !"

That's a honey of a one-liner!

164 posted on 08/27/2012 4:20:59 PM PDT by Flotsam_Jetsome (If not you, who? If not now, when?)
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To: driftless2

Yes, he did. He was asked to verify that Barack Hussein Obama, II, male, was born on Aug 4, 1961 in Honolulu on the island of Oahu to Stanley Ann Dunham and Barack Hussein Obama. He did not verify those things. The only reason the statute allows for him to not verify a fact on request from a qualified requestor is if he cannot certify that the event actually happened that way. He did verify that those are the facts that are claimed on the record they have, so the only reason left for him to not certify that the event actually happened as claimed is if the record they have is not legally valid/probative.

In the same way, he was asked to verify that the long-form that was posted to the White House website was a “true and accurate representation of the original record on file.” The only legal reason to not verify that is if it CAN’T be verified, because it’s not true. Onaka said some other things to make it easy for people to get distracted (”the information contained in the record matches the original record”), but the law required him to say that the copy was a “true and accurate representation of the original record on file” if that is actually true. And he didn’t.

The presumption of regularity means that unless there is evidence to the contrary, it has to legally be presumed that routine requests were handled in the prescribed way and conform to the requirements of the law. IOW, since Onaka didn’t verify what was requested by a qualified requestor, we have to presume it was for the only lawful reason: because he COULDN’T verify those things.

He can say whatever he wants to in order to deflect the question and distract from his final answer, but the final answer is that he did not verify any of those facts and he did not verify the copy as a “true and accurate representation of the original record on file”. And the legal presumption is that his response was lawful; he didn’t verify because he COULDN’T, which is the only lawful reason for him to not verify those things.

The stuff he put on the letter of verification is all smokescreen. It’s what he DIDN’T say and the only legal reason for him to not say them that reveals all.

Three different lawyers have looked at the laws, the documents, and my legal reasoning and concur.

In addition to that - and this was my first clue that I had this right - the Mississippi Democratic Executive Committee understood this verification the same way, because when they requested a verification after observing Onaka’s response to Bennett, they were very careful not to ask for any actual birth facts to be verified. They knew Onaka could not and would not verify any facts as true, because the record is not legally valid. But knew that he WOULD verify that the claims on the White House forgery match the information that is on their non-valid record. So that’s all they asked Onaka to verify - that the particular claims on the posted long-form are also on Hawaii’s (non-valid) record.

So even the Mississippi Democratic Party’s lawyers understood Onaka’s verification to Bennett the same way as the 3 lawyers I consulted, who agreed with my understanding of the law.

Onaka’s failure to verify any actual BIRTH FACTS (even though those are the claims on the record they have) confirms that the record they have is legally non-valid. And Onaka’s failure to verify that the White House image is a “true and accurate representation of the original record on file” is confirmation that it is NOT a true and accurate representation of the original record on file. IOW, it is a forgery - made to appear valid when the real record has stamps on it showing it to be legally non-valid.

Why do you think that wasn’t reported in any of the places you looked?


165 posted on 08/27/2012 4:44:41 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

Have a nice day sir.


166 posted on 08/27/2012 4:50:22 PM PDT by driftless2
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To: I cannot think of a name

Ooh, that’s good!


167 posted on 08/27/2012 5:03:22 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
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168 posted on 08/27/2012 5:07:38 PM PDT by 1035rep (Obama: "I killed Bin Laden" ...you didn't do that. Somebody else made that happen.)
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To: DeaconRed
Obama Admits Birthplace

Scroll all the way down and watch the video, It is Obama after he became a Senator. How come it never came out before now.

Obama admits not being born in Hawaii ...Speech apparently made just after his election to the US Senate.

Dude, did you not notice that every time he's about to say something important, the video cuts away from his face? That video is a paste up.

169 posted on 08/27/2012 9:24:42 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp
See 157.
And silence followed.
170 posted on 08/27/2012 9:31:41 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Flotsam_Jetsome

It fit’s well with “ You didn’t build that “ ....


171 posted on 08/27/2012 9:40:43 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; RaisingCain
Okay, I finally had time to look at your accusation. RaisingCain and I post nothing alike. For one thing, he's a self-described "bible-thumping Baptist," who doesn't like Catholics, while I am a Catholic. He likes to personally insult Romney, while some on this thread attacked me because I was against attacking him personally. (I am just against him because he's a socialist who wants to destroy America).

Awaiting apology

172 posted on 08/28/2012 3:09:12 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: DiogenesLamp
Thanks
I kinda figured it was doctored. I knew you guys here would catch it.
I don't trust the fat ass married couple (SNOOPS). They get it wrong a lot.
If it was true FOX would have run with it. OK Maybe they would have walked with it.
173 posted on 08/28/2012 6:20:04 AM PDT by DeaconRed (My vote in Nov will be dictated by my extreme hatred for ZERO and what he is doing to our country.)
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To: driftless2

lol. See ya around!


174 posted on 08/28/2012 11:58:27 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: Yosemitest
@I see no proof in that link.

What further proof do you need?
If the video weren't fake then it wouldn't "cut away" when he grabs his upper lip and speaks the words.

And why didn't you post your comment here to me?

175 posted on 08/28/2012 12:22:45 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: philman_36
Because in that comment, i was speaking to Seizethecarp.
Videos "cut away" all the time to catch crowd reaction.
Where have you been all of your life?
176 posted on 08/28/2012 1:02:01 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: philman_36
You know, after thinking about it, I wouldn't doubt but what the ILLEGAL ALIEN IN CHIEF himself had the video in question produced,
just to blame others of his own corrupt deeds,
and to confuse the fact the HE WAS BORN IN KENYA.
177 posted on 08/28/2012 1:07:40 PM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: Yosemitest
Because in that comment, i was speaking to Seizethecarp.

That's true, but that comment was about what I found.

Videos "cut away" all the time to catch crowd reaction.
That's true too. However, a "true" video representation of the event wouldn't have cut away at the moment it did as that fake one does. If that video were real then it would have continued to show him on camera just like it happened in the original and would not cut away like it did at 'just the right moment'.

Where have you been all of your life?
I'll take that as a rhetorical question.

...just to blame others of his own corrupt deeds...
Since he's got so many sycophants he wouldn't need to do it himself at all. The incident with Australian David Bomford and his BC is just one example and should give you an idea of that. Look at all of 'the laughs' Obots got out of that episode.

...confuse the fact the HE WAS BORN IN KENYA.
Both of his parent weren't Citizens at the time of his birth. That's what matters the most.

So you'll concede that my reply is "proof" after all?

178 posted on 08/28/2012 1:27:31 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Yosemitest
Oops...Both of his parents weren't Citizens at the time of his birth.
179 posted on 08/28/2012 1:29:34 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Seizethecarp

My apologies. I should have pinged also you since your name was mentioned in my reply.


180 posted on 08/28/2012 1:40:34 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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