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German Rabbi faces criminal charges over circumcision
Jewish World ^ | 08/22/2012 | Ynet

Posted on 08/22/2012 11:32:32 AM PDT by Jewbacca

A German rabbi has been criminally charged for performing a circumcision, committing what the indictment calls "bodily harm," media outlets reported on Tuesday. The charges against David Goldberg, who is a mohel and the Rabbi of the city of Hof Saale in Bavaria, is the first known case following the anti-circumcision ruling issued by a German court in May.According to media reports, the charges were filed by a physician from the city of Hessen, and was based on the court ruling which stated that performing a religious circumcision ritual can be considered a crime. A Bavarian radio station reported that the doctor was among the signatories of a letter sent to Angela Merkel, which claimed that "religion should not be allowed to permit harming of the helpless."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Germany; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: circumcision; germany; israel; nannystate
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To: apoliticalone; Jewbacca

I agree.

If a male baby, with a little, tiny, deformed and inferior, penis, such as yourself should be asked if they consent to circumcision.

Normal guys with 7 or more, parents’ choice.


81 posted on 08/22/2012 7:24:02 PM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (I will never vote for Romney. Ever.)
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To: null and void

the original case was about a Mullah who harmed a four-year old when being circumcised.


82 posted on 08/22/2012 10:50:33 PM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Jewbacca; Joe 6-pack
Remember that this started with the case against a moslem mullah who hurt a 4 year old during a circumcision.

By the civil code, this case agains the mohel won't stand.

The German government will stop this case from moving forward.

83 posted on 08/22/2012 10:52:14 PM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: BitWielder1; Jewbacca; momtothree; Elpasser; Born to Conserve
A Moslem couple wanted to get their 4 year old son circumcised and found a Moslem doctor to do so, but there were problems and the kids had to be hospitalized. The case was brought up in front of a judge who ruled that this was done without the child's consent and put him in danger.

details here

The German case that came before the court in Cologne involved a Muslim family. The parents, observant Muslims, arranged to have their four-year-old son circumcised. After the procedure, the boy suffered some post-operative bleeding, and a local prosecutor pressed charges against the doctor who had performed the circumcision. The trial court dismissed the charges, but the appellate court reversed the dismissal on appeal. After weighing the family’s religious freedom against the child’s interest in bodily integrity, the appellate judges determined that non-therapeutic circumcision of children inflicts bodily harm and impermissibly violates the child’s bodily integrity as well as his interest in deciding, later in life, to which religion he wishes to belong.
Note again that this is purely about male circumcision -- which is common to both Jews and Moslems. This is not about female c which we all oppose, but about male c which we all think should be allowed. The German court is going by a coldly logical view that the child has no say in this irreversible physical change done to its body.
84 posted on 08/22/2012 11:00:28 PM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: null and void

it would work as an argument in court.


85 posted on 08/22/2012 11:03:04 PM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Moltke; Jewbacca; Zionist Conspirator; null and void
Well said Moltke: The Rabbi has NOT been charged (by the authorities - as the article implies and posters here seem to believe). The individual mentioned in the article filed a criminal complaint.

and

Germany’s lower house of parliament passed a resolution on Thursday to protect the religious circumcision of infant boys

The new law would overrule the Cologne court decision.

An overwhelming majority of lawmakers voted in favor of the resolution, although the small opposition Left party opposed it, suggesting that infant boys could have a “symbolic circumcision” then undergo the actual operation when older.

the knee-jerk reactions of many without seeing what the German government is doing is irritating, but what one has come to expect on FR recently...

86 posted on 08/22/2012 11:08:25 PM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: TheThirdRuffian; apoliticalone

That’s not fair, TTR — apolitical has not mentioned anything about size. He just said that he doesn’t like the fact that he was not asked. We may disagree with him on infant circumcision (I believe that it is a law put down by God on Jews and they MUST follow it and they should be allowed to do this God-given duty), but he has a right to voice his opinion and we can disagree and debate with him civilly.


87 posted on 08/22/2012 11:10:29 PM PDT by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: null and void

No, and this isn’t Germany wide, just in the particular jurisdiction of one specific court.


88 posted on 08/22/2012 11:34:04 PM PDT by PhxTM06 (")
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To: Gay State Conservative

It prohibits up until a certain age where the child can determine that for itself.


89 posted on 08/22/2012 11:38:45 PM PDT by PhxTM06 (")
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To: MEGoody

Not done with teeth, but after the snipping has been done, the Rabbi will take the bleeding penis into his mouth and suck the blood from the wound........dead serious.

Its definitely not a mainstream practice, its done by a small minority of very Orthodox Jews. Its called “metzitzah b’peh”


90 posted on 08/22/2012 11:42:12 PM PDT by PhxTM06 (")
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To: Born to Conserve
Let this little lady explain it for you.
91 posted on 08/23/2012 12:22:05 AM PDT by itsahoot (Write in Palin in 2012, Just to pi$$ off the Romney botts.)
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To: trailhkr1
I think the poster trying to relate anti circumcision laws with gays was stretching it to say the least.

You know it is easy to buy products that can uncircumcise you in San Francisco. True fact.

I was circumcised at midlife for reasons not related to religion, so I can offer first hand experience as to the affect. FreepMail me if you want to know.

92 posted on 08/23/2012 12:34:22 AM PDT by itsahoot (Write in Palin in 2012, Just to pi$$ off the Romney botts.)
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To: Cronos

Thanks, Cronos. It’s almost like some of the knee-jerkers are projecting a secret desire...

That resolution was passed back on July 19, btw. Surely time enough for even the press in Israel to take notice.


93 posted on 08/23/2012 1:43:27 AM PDT by Moltke ("I am Dr. Sonderborg," he said, "and I don't want any nonsense.")
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To: PhxTM06
Not done with teeth, but after the snipping has been done, the Rabbi will take the bleeding penis into his mouth and suck the blood from the wound........dead serious.

That is so awful I didn't see how it could be real, so I looked it up. My gosh, it IS real! Disgusting!

94 posted on 08/23/2012 6:45:43 AM PDT by MEGoody (You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: PhxTM06
It prohibits up until a certain age where the child can determine that for itself.

That is how it should be done. At 18 if the guy wants to be cut let him go at it.

95 posted on 08/23/2012 7:44:14 AM PDT by trailhkr1
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To: MEGoody
That is so awful I didn't see how it could be real, so I looked it up. My gosh, it IS real! Disgusting!

Yes it is.

Any male doing doing this to a baby would be thrown in jail but hey it's religion so all is good. Freaks. I vomit even thinking about it...

96 posted on 08/23/2012 7:47:20 AM PDT by trailhkr1
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To: Cronos
Good for Germany then.

An eight day old boy filed a complaint?

97 posted on 08/23/2012 8:00:22 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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98 posted on 08/28/2012 4:54:47 AM PDT by SJackson (I used to eat a lot of natural foods until I learned that most people people die of natural causes)
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