Posted on 08/22/2012 11:32:32 AM PDT by Jewbacca
A German rabbi has been criminally charged for performing a circumcision, committing what the indictment calls "bodily harm," media outlets reported on Tuesday. The charges against David Goldberg, who is a mohel and the Rabbi of the city of Hof Saale in Bavaria, is the first known case following the anti-circumcision ruling issued by a German court in May.According to media reports, the charges were filed by a physician from the city of Hessen, and was based on the court ruling which stated that performing a religious circumcision ritual can be considered a crime. A Bavarian radio station reported that the doctor was among the signatories of a letter sent to Angela Merkel, which claimed that "religion should not be allowed to permit harming of the helpless."
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I’m sure He has His reasons for everything.
You seem so confused.
Wonderful news. I did not know that. Why don’t you post it?
“You seem so confused.”
No, I think everyone here has no confusion about you at all.
TTR is correct. You’re on the wrong site.
Germany’s lower house of parliament passed a resolution on Thursday to protect the religious circumcision of infant boys after a district court ban on the practice outraged Muslims and Jews and sparked an emotional debate in the country.
The main political parties have criticized the ruling by a Cologne court and Chancellor Angela Merkel’s government has promised a new law to make clear doctors or families will not be punished for carrying out the procedure.
The speed with which lawmakers agreed on the terms of the motion underscored sensitivity to charges of intolerance in a country haunted by its Nazi past.
The resolution, jointly filed by Merkel’s conservatives, their liberal coalition ally (FDP) and the opposition Social Democrats (SPD), demanded that “the government present a draft law in the autumn … that guarantees that the circumcision of boys, carried out with medical expertise and without unnecessary pain, is permitted”.
The new law would overrule the Cologne court decision.
Lawmakers noted in the resolution that the court ruling had deeply unsettled Muslims and Jews in Germany, as they feared the practice would now be outlawed, while doctors were alarmed at the threat of prosecution if they performed operations.
“Jewish and Muslim religious life must continue to be possible in Germany. Circumcision has a central religious significance for Jews and Muslims,” the resolution stated.
Merkel has said Germany risked becoming a “laughing stock” if Jews were not allowed to practice their rituals.
About 120,000 Jews are registered as living in Germany along with around 4 million Muslims, many of whom are from Turkey which has also criticized the court ruling.
Germany’s Central Council of Jews described the Cologne ruling as an “unprecedented and dramatic intrusion” on religious freedom and the Central Council of Muslims in Germany called it a “blatant and inadmissible interference” in parents’ rights.
The court ruling triggered a highly charged debate in Germany over infants’ and parents’ rights, religious freedom and the irreversible practice of circumcision itself.
An overwhelming majority of lawmakers voted in favor of the resolution, although the small opposition Left party opposed it, suggesting that infant boys could have a “symbolic circumcision” then undergo the actual operation when older.
See #65. Feel free to post a separate thread.
Why didn't God just make men circumcised to begin with?? Srs question.
The government should use reasonable regulations to insure circumcision is done safely. There are some Jews who practice sucking the blood from the penis of a circumcised boy by the mouth of the one performing the circumcision. I realize this description is offensive to some, but this ritual is actually practiced. Nothing in Law of Moses advocates this behavior as part of circumcision. It is ridiculous that it is practiced considering how strict the prohibition is against consuming blood. (Many Jews will not eat an egg which has the possibility of being fertilized.) A human mouth is full of germs which could very easily cause a serious illness by carrying out this practice.
This notwithstanding, circumcision should not only be allowed but should be the norm except where there is an objection based on religious or moral grounds.
Homosexual neo-Nazis are behind the efforts to defame and outlaw circumcision. It was investigated by fathers’ rights and other pro-family groups during the ‘90s.
I do not pretend to speak for Jews, as I am not one, nor do I pretend to speak for a God whose very existence I doubt, but, having a foreskin requires a positive act of faith and allegiance.
Free will is a senior value to any non-optional choice.
There is no virtue in avoiding hunting deep sea fish by catching them by breathing sea water and diving down to their depths.
That is possibly the most unclear post on FR not written by me...
No offense intended, but WUT?
To actually contribute to the discussion: I believe that the reason God doesn’t just make us without a foreskin, is that God expects our obedience. It’s about the act, no so much the skin.
Try reading it again without the last sentence.
Your last paragraph makes it clear we’re in the same chapter, if not quite on the same page.
The virtue lies not in the absence of a foreskin, but in the exercise of free will to follow the commandment.
No free will, no virtue (or vice).
I do not pretend to speak for Jews, as I am not one, nor do I pretend to speak for a God whose very existence I doubt, but,havingremoving a foreskin requires a positive act of faith and allegiance.
That does clear things up a bit. I thought you were condemning fishing there for a minute...
That does clear things up a bit. I thought you were condemning fishing there for a minute...
Nahh, just cheating by free diving down to catch them by hand...
Ahhhh... but abortion is legal. That reminds me. I don’t want any more shots from the doctor. They causes me pain.
Germany is a cesspool of perversion and hypocrisy. They worship the foreskin before life itself.
FACT: Nobody ever asked me as a baby if I wanted circumcised when they brought out the knife.
This has nothing to do with religion, but everything about we humans having our rights from fetus to adult.
Before any human is cut or mutilated I’m all for asking for their permission first.
Had they waited until I was older and had a voice in this ritual, I can tell you right now I’d say the hxll with these crazy adults or their religious beliefs.
So ask the kid what he thinks - circumcision or no circumcision? Ask those young female babies too what they think when someone claims young females need to have their genitals mutilated?
If people are going to be mutilated, then wait until they grow old enough to give permission and get anesthetized an have a voice in it, instead of giving someone who has no connection to the family the voice.
The physician from Hesse is the real prick in this story.
May he get an STD from a camel sitting on his face (old Middle Eastern curse).
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