Sara Weaver, outside her ranch, in Kalispell, Mont.
Sara Weaver, outside her ranch, in Kalispell, Mont.
I notice that the article makes no mention of Bill Clinton's role in these government-sponsored murders, but continues to try to shift the blame to unidentified right-wing hate groups.
And wouldn't you know that they quote the Southern Poverty Law Center as their prime authority on that:
"Ruby Ridge was the opening shot of a new era of anti-government hatred not seen since the Civil War," said Mark Potok of the Southern Poverty Law Center, which keeps tabs on hate groups.
No, sorry, the SPLC is one of the worst hate groups on the planet.
Shame.
“Difficult but not impossible.”
Impossible for me.
Should we forgive the 9-11 murderers?
The murderers of Ruby Ridge and Waco do not deserve forgiveness.
The people in charge deserve even less.
I wonder how meaningful it is to “forgive” someone who doesn’t ask for forgiveness and with whom you have zero contact. It all seems a little impersonal and abstract.
“a sniper’s bullet struck her mother in the head” I guess they didn’t want to take them in only kill them.
That’s a good government for all!
"Ruby Ridge was the opening shot of a new era of anti-government hatred not seen since the Civil War," said Mark Potok of the Southern Poverty Law Center, which keeps tabs on hate groups.
Did the reporter not see the irony in this statement?
Especially now, in view of the hate-crime committed against the Family Research Council after the FRC was labeled a "hate group" by that very same "Southern Poverty Law Center"?
I read somewhere recently that Bo Greitz said that there was a Fed helicopter loaded with some kind of flammable liquid just waiting to dump it on the Weaver house to incinerate them but they could not get the witnesses away.
I certainly believe that. Burn it. Leaves no evidence. There are lots of examples of this when the Feds are engaged in a seige against citizens.
There is no statute of limitations for murder. There should be no forgiveness either.
A while back, she appeared on a cable TV show hosted by William Shatner, and he interviewed her. I was already quite familiar with what happened, including the congressional cover-up and payment to Randy Weaver for “wrongful death.” My first thought when I saw her was that she was very cute.
She narrated the most horrifying story, and her grace and composure had me crying halfway through the episode.
I’m not a Christian, but to me she exemplified my understanding of what it means to be a good Christian.
Mark
It’s good that Ms Weaver is able to forgive.
However without justice, forgiveness is a
hollow shell. Till Horiuchi and the rest of
the animals that perpetrated the murders at
Ruby Ridge are arrested and tried there will
be no justice and therefore no chance for true
forgiveness.
Forgiveness without justice is merely enabling.
Our small cowboy church had the honor of hosting Sara and her husband, Marc, Balter, for an evening. We watched the Shatner interview, then she spoke for a few minutes about her journey to forgiveness. It was a powerful evening with nearly 30 people jammed into our pastor’s home.
We were planning on hosting her again this year, but she now charges a speaking fee of $5000. They wanted $500 down to hold a spot. That’s way out of our little church’s budget.
I bought the book she wrote with her father. I had nightmares for a week after reading it. Forgiveness is one thing. Accountability is another.
Aside from the endorsement he did a few years ago (knife company?) has hide or hair of Horiuchi been seen since Idaho attempted to put him on trial for murder?
Fascinating post, rabidralph. Thanks.
Unless Lon Horiuchi has asked her forgiveness there’s absolutely nothing Christian about her forgiving him. Nothing.
Sorry. I consider this the daily WTF story.
I’ve always heard the words but seldom saw it in any meaningful action. The hatred and lack of forgivenes spews from the mouths of thousands, especially in election years. Now I hear things like, “It’s not up to me to forgive. It’s up to God.”
Maybe Randy’s daughter is calling it forgiveness and Bill Clinton called it compartmentalizing. Maybe the words mean the same thing.Both done to keep from being driven insane. I don’t know.
All I know is I watched Waco on my TV screen. I screamed my lungs out and sobbed uncontrollably at what I was seeing. I broke down when the story of Ruby Ridge unfolded. I watched Bo Gritz be used.
Someone wrote the following on an unnamed blog. It’s just hanging out there for someone to bump into.
February 2, 2009 by Steve
“They just confirmed Eric Holder as the Attorney General. Holder, of course, was the Deputy Attorney General during the Clinton Administration.
In those years, we had tragedies such as Ruby Ridge and Waco Texas. Mysteriously, those things stopped happening once the Clinton administration was out of office. Now that we’re getting Clinton Administration Part II (Change that you can believe in!), I give it a year, max, before the ATF or DHS or some other federal alphabet soup agency gets around to killing Americans who just want to be left alone.
Don’t forget, you heard it here first ….”
Interesting, we now have “fast and furious.” We have the murder of Judge Roll (who was investigating Fast and Furious long before the public became aware of its being) by an unlikely assassin.
And everywhere, you find the same cast of ambitious players. Directing the cast is always Eric Holder, the Untouchable.
I guess you forgive when there’s nothing left to do. We’re all just human.
Wasn’t Loni Noriuchi indicted or something? Was that his name? I think I remember somewhere that justice was served? Where is Loni today?
It’s the right thing to do. The Amish publicly forgave Roberts for killing 5 girls at the school. Then, they visited his widow to offer help. Then, half of the people at Robert’s funeral were Amish. Forgiveness is a good things. Bitterness and anger will consume those who possess both.
This is Vicki Weaver as the FBI saw her on her last day of life. Shortly thereafter Lon Horiuchi shot her husband in the back as he was checking on the body of his murdered son, and a few minutes later shot her in the head.
The Rules of Engagement in the case were absolutely unprecedented, "shoot-on-sight" as a Congressional investigation concluded. Horiuchi's second shot was outside even them.
Weaver was (1) set up by the BATF to sell them two shotguns that he thought were legal and that they knew he thought were legal, (2) prosecuted as an outrageous manipulation of the legal system in order to turn him into a government spy, (3) made a federal "criminal" by a change of court date that he did not know about, (4) hunted by federal Marshals who were incompetent enough to get found by a dog and two boys and who ended up shooting them for it, (5) cornered in his own home by a small federal army under "shoot-on-sight" instructions. His son was murdered. His friend, later acquitted of all charges, was shot. He was shot. His wife was murdered.
I'm not the only one who thinks so. Here is what FBI Deputy Assistant Director Danny Coulson wrote two days afterward:
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Something to Consider
1. Charge against Weaver is Bull Shit.
2. No one saw Weaver do any shooting.
3. Vicki has no charges against her.
4. Weaver's defense. He ran down the hill to see what dog was barking at. Some guys in camys shot his dog. Started shooting at him. Killed his son. Harris did the shooting [of Degan]. He [Weaver] is in pretty strong legal position.
Yes, I'd say he was, and so did the court. If the SPLC pretends to be surprised that this case engendered a resentment against a thuglike, heavy-handed, out-of-control, shoot-to-kill federal government with a view of its citizens as sheep and targets, then the SPLC is a little out of touch, because nothing has happened to the murderers. Nothing.
Yes, I'm still angry. This was not simply a case where events spun out of control, they were deliberately set up, deliberately manipulated, and culminated in a show of force so disgraceful and unnecessary that one honestly has to wonder if its principal actors are insane or outright evil or both, because stupid doesn't explain it.