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Next from the EPA: Four-Gallon- minimum Gas Purchases
PJ Media ^ | 8//9/12 | Bridget Johnson

Posted on 08/09/2012 4:08:12 PM PDT by Nachum

The Environmental Protection Agency is going to require all consumers to buy at least four gallons of gasoline from certain gas pumps after the new E15 ethanol-gasoline blend is introduced into the market. The new regulation was revealed in an Aug. 1 letter to the American Motorcyclist Association, which expressed concern that the vast majority of motorcycles and ATVs in use today aren’t designed to operate on E15 fuel and residual fuel from a pump that serves multiple blends might harm these tanks. “The use of E15 will lower fuel efficiency and possibly cause premature engine failure,”

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KEYWORDS: 4gallonminimum; corndrought; drought; e15; epa; ethanol; four; gallon; gas; gasoline; greenenergy
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To: Jim Noble

If that’s the case an execuive order can end it.


61 posted on 08/09/2012 7:20:50 PM PDT by meatloaf (Support Senate S 1863 & House Bill 1380 to eliminate oil slavery.)
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To: kevslisababy

Ethanol won’t be going in my Hummer or my BMW if it remains possible. Though I was stuck once at an Ethanol only station.

I bought just enough to get me to the next station!


62 posted on 08/09/2012 7:31:19 PM PDT by Bshaw (A nefarious deceit is upon us all!)
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To: Uncle Ike

In 1987 I was rolling in a 1970 El Camino SS and paying .95 cents per gallon.


63 posted on 08/09/2012 7:34:43 PM PDT by Bshaw (A nefarious deceit is upon us all!)
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To: Nachum
One other aspect of communism... by Nachum

More right than you know.

The EPA responded that it requires that retail stations with blender pumps either dispense E15 from a dedicated hose and nozzle if able or, in the case of E15 and E10 being dispensed from the same hose, require that at least four gallons of fuel be purchased to prevent vehicles and engines with smaller fuel tanks from being exposed to gasoline-ethanol blended fuels containing greater than 10 percent ethanol.

Apparently the EPA expects the rubes to not figure out the above statement is a physical impossibility.

However, I do not believe that is the entire intent.

If four gallons is mandated to be used at every visit to the gas station for ALL consumers then what is being done is making any statistically measurable differences in mechanical failures between E10 and E15 users much harder to detect.

The Russians did the same thing with contaminated meat from Chernobyl...

* The amount of radiation considered safe was increased tenfold by the government two weeks after the accident with Politburo approval, to reduce the number of people who would have to be examined, treated and perhaps hospitalized.

* Milk and meat from the contaminated area were deliberately mixed with those from other regions and distributed around the country so they could be sold. Regulations on acceptable radiation levels again were changed with Politburo approval.

An estimated 47,500 tons of "dirty" meat and 2 million tons of milk with radioactive levels higher than had been allowed for human consumption were shipped from the region from 1986 through 1989 and mixed with clean meat and milk for sale under this directive, according to government officials quoted by Izvestia.

http://articles.latimes.com/1992-04-25/news/mn-883_1_chernobyl-documents

When such a distribution occurs what is being done is making any statistically measurable differences in occurrences of cancer between contaminated areas and non-contaminated areas much harder to detect.



And with that we see that our current administration's EPA is thinking exactly like the old Soviet Union Politburo.

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64 posted on 08/09/2012 8:05:59 PM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: TLI
And with that we see that our current administration's EPA is thinking exactly like the old Soviet Union Politburo.

Who do you think is coaching them?

65 posted on 08/09/2012 8:16:25 PM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

EPA discriminates against poor people.


66 posted on 08/09/2012 8:32:35 PM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class!)
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To: Jim Noble

I just sold off one of 7 in the garage that was sitting idle. The Yamaha XT250 was good for 80 MPG on regular gas. That leaves the TW200 as the last carbuerated dual sport with 80 MPG in the garage. The rest are street bikes that run on 91 octane minimum. 2 Harleys, 2 Kawasakis, 1 Yamaha Roadliner, 1 Piaggio BV500. All get 42 to 55 MPG.


67 posted on 08/09/2012 8:36:06 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: nascarnation

Cool! The nearest real gas station to me is right by Tractor Supply.


68 posted on 08/09/2012 8:38:22 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Emperor Palpatine

Wait until your fuel pump & your fuel lines are rusted out & your vehicle stops whereever.........


69 posted on 08/09/2012 9:02:23 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: nascarnation

100LL does not work on catalyzed engines, and if you check the manuals of almost all cars since 1977, you WILL cause damage to them with E15.


70 posted on 08/09/2012 9:14:43 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: factoryrat

IIRC using gas with ethanol in it was considered to be more harmful to small engines found in motorcycles, lawnmowers, etc. than larger car and truck engines. The libs hate things such as mowers, leaf blowers, ATV’s, motorcycles even more than cars in many cases.


71 posted on 08/09/2012 9:15:30 PM PDT by matt04
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To: nascarnation

Also, it is ILLEGAL to use 100LL in roadgoing vehicles.

As for the E0, by definition it is offered only outside urban smog control areas, so you must drive (sometimes quite a distance) to get it.


72 posted on 08/09/2012 9:21:10 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Logical me
If Romney gets elected disband the EPA as it now stands and build a new unit to look into those regulations to eliminate.

Obama fired hundreds, thousands of EPA contract employees hired by Mr. Bush, in order to replace them with Obamanoids. The EPA has been heavily Obama-ized. That should be taken into account when it's time to fire up the bulldozers and scrape the ground clean where EPA once stood.

73 posted on 08/09/2012 10:18:49 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: Tallguy; nascarnation
So you're gonna pay for a 4-gallon minimum no matter how much you pump.

Sneaky. You'll destroy your bike's engine all while being penalized every time you fill-up.

Gee, do I hear a little Green voice saying, "Take the effing BUS, drone!"?

74 posted on 08/09/2012 10:21:35 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: Myrddin
The rest are street bikes that run on 91 octane minimum.

The following does not apply to ethanol blends (I don't know the math).

But octane increases in a nonlinear fashion, so that persons wanting to average, say, 90 octane, ought not to buy 90-octane "Plus" premium gas, but should split their tanks or alternate top-ups with 87 octane and 93 octane.

A fuel tank that is 50/50 blended 87 octane and 93 octane will actually have an octane number higher than 90, because of the nonlinear rate at which octane increases with added MTBE, toluene, TBA, or whatever octane-enhancer is in use.

So in a 20-gallon tank, a split 60/40 split between regular and 92- or 93-octane premium would be about right, and more economical than filling up with 90-octane "Plus".

This is some admittedly dated wisdom gleaned from a "downstream" article about gasoline-blending that appeared in Oil and Gas Journal about 1982, when the EPA was just starting to make refining a hairy proposition with numerous bans and demands for low-volatiles summer blends, and by the way driving hundreds of small, 10,000-bpd refineries out of business (deliberately, of course -- so they could regulate the survivors more easily and more closely).

75 posted on 08/09/2012 10:55:58 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: Nachum
Obama's fault.

Doesn't matter whether it's true or not. If it's from the government and it's inconvenient, it's OBAMA's FAULT!

77 posted on 08/09/2012 11:26:56 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Nachum

Ethanol takes 40% of all corn planted in America now at a 10% blend.

E15 must then require 60% of all corn planted in America.

Not wise given the drought and the fact it will ruin most engines.


78 posted on 08/09/2012 11:44:17 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: LearsFool

“Restrict humans to metropolitan areas so The Kennedy’s, SanFran Nan, John F’n Kerry,(sic) can have her own quiet spots to relax in. “
Had to fix that for you.


79 posted on 08/10/2012 4:13:34 AM PDT by Fireone (Traitors must be purged from Washington D.C.- Impeach, convict, and sentence!)
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To: KarlInOhio
What if I just need a gallon for my mower's gas can? Would the EPA be happy if I promised to splash a pint on the ground to clear the E15 crap from the nozzle?

Lots of people will be doing that and dropping their lighted cigarettes.

80 posted on 08/10/2012 8:16:29 AM PDT by bgill
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