First and Second Amendment rights shielded killer(WI)

Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel ^ | 7 August, 2012 | Doug Clark

[marktwain]

"Fred Allen Lucas, a Bloomington, Ind., man who served with Page at Fort Bragg, N.C., in a psychological operations battalion, recalled that he spoke of the need for securing a homeland for white people and referred to all non-whites as 'dirt people.'

" 'It didn't matter if they were black, Indian, Native American, Latin - he hated them all,' Lucas said."

From the Cumberland County permit to purchase and possess a handgun: "The applicant has further satisfied me as .to his, her (or) their good moral character" -- signed by Sheriff Earl R. Butler, May 5, 2008.

Actually, five permits were issued to Wade Michael Page that day. (They are NOT concealed-carry permits, however.)

By that time, Page had been involved with racist hate groups for years. Isn't that inconsistent with "good moral character"?

Careful. Whether we always like it or not, the First Amendment protects the free speech rights of racist hate groups and the Second Amendment protects gun ownership rights. Can the government restrict a person's Second Amendment rights because of how he exercises his First Amendment rights? Put another way, can someone be denied his Second Amendment rights because of his political views?

No.

[marktwain]

Nice to see someone mentioning the Bill of Rights.

[yobid]

And military brass shielded the Fort Hood murderer.

[proxy_user]

Just because you can’t be arrested for speaking, doen’t mean we can’t take what you say into consideration in judging your character.

Whether a government official can do that is another issue, one that leads to many disputes.

[Regulator]

The Mayor of Los Angeles led an organization called MEChA that believes all of the Southwest should be a Mexican homeland called Aztlan.

In fact his organization has as its motto "for The Race everything, for all others, nothing".

Oddly, I can find no one in the media criticizing him for that. Even the so-called conservative media.

How is he different from Page?

[LucianOfSamasota]

‘The Race’ is La Raza in Spanish.

Clearly the Hutaree militia is treated differently than La Raza, the New Black Panthers, or the Muslim Brotherhood.

[American in Israel]

The first and second amendment shields us all, from other killers, government and private.

[Manly Warrior]

You mean sherrifs across the land, Judges and others etc charged with “issuing” permits for firearms are not omniscient or claire voyant?

Oh, the horror, are we just figuring that out?

The neat thing here in MO is that the CCW law also includes a section absolving the sherrif, the department of revenue etc from any and all liability for the actions of anyone else (ccw endorsee). Kinda makes sense you know, assuming that the sherriff is not going to be walking alongside each and every (or any) person he endorses for a CCW. If the local state and national records check says “nada” then teh permit must be issued, unless the Sherrif knows more than is on record (then it can go to small claims court for resolution if the applicant does not agree and the sherrif must prove the point).

[afraidfortherepublic]

Wisconsin gun rights ping

FReep Mail me if you want on, or off, this Wisconsin interest ping list.

[theBuckwheat]

First and Second Amendment rights shielded killer”.

We could say the very same with the left’s love for Louis Farrakhan, or the Black Panthers, who once famously paraded with rifles and more recently with nightsticks and were given a pass by the AG himself.

But the Left only loves the Bill of Rights to the extent it gives them cover and elbow room to advance their agenda. Moreover, after power is secured, the rights they demanded will disappear down the memory hole as fast as you can say Che Guevara.

[If You Want It Fixed - Fix It]

An abortion doctor and the man and woman lugging the baby in - are of good moral character, per government specification. Evil is done by individual free will - no need to blame a government, sheriff, political party, ideology, or movement - it’s all just cover for the soul.

[JOAT]

Right on schedule, as per plan, the 1st and 2nd amendment come under fire.

You see, "Freedom" is the real enemy here, not some guy on psychotropic drugs killing people.

[backwoods-engineer]

First and Second Amendment rights shielded killer

You know what they mean, right? They mean, "if we didn't have the 1st & 2nd, this guy couldn't kill!" Which is completely illogical.

I am not going to stand by and let the 2nd Amendment be taken by these bastards. If civil war is all that is left, if the United, Divided is our only option, then let it be. I intend not to die in my sleep with my children and their children enslaved.

[Pontiac]

From the Cumberland County permit to purchase and possess a handgun: "The applicant has further satisfied me as .to his, her (or) their good moral character" -- signed by Sheriff Earl R. Butler, May 5, 2008.

So let me understand this. In Cumberland County if you are of low moral character you are unworthy to purchase and possess a handgun.

An adulterer would not be able to get a permit to purchase a handgun and nor would some one who verbally abuses his mother.

Okay so if you are a moral lightweight you are not worthy of defending your life.

Yep I am okay with that. But then I am morally upright. Now of course our Liberal friends of course are bit loose with the whole morals thing (what goes on in the bedroom is nobodies business it’s only sex), so not many of them will be getting handguns. But then they don’t think the average citizen should have them anyway.