Did Investigator Mike Zullo Rely On 1969 Code #9 for Obama's COLB Or Code #9 from 1961?

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/vsus/vsus_1961_1.pdf ^

[Fred Garvin-MP]

Hello. My name is Fred Garvin-MP. I recently watched the Maricopa County Sheriff Department's press conference. It was intriguing to say the least. What caught my attention were the coding numbers on the document put on the White House server for all Americans to see. The code #9 was the essential 'nail in the coffin' that confirmed the PDF version of the birth certificate was a 'definite' forgery.

Now two pro Obama websites claim that lead Investigator Mike Zullo used the meaning of code #9 from a 1969 Vital Statistics Instruction Manual instead of a manual from 1961. Is this true? One meaning for code #9 is different that the other code #9 and that is giving Obama supporting websites ammunition to claim Sheriff Arpaio's Cold Case Posse got it wrong. To clear this up we need answers. I am sure most of you agree.

Here is the 1961 layout: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/vsus/vsus_1961_1.pdf

Here is the 1969 layout : http://www.nber.org/natality/1969/Nat1969-71doc.pdf

Fred Garvin-MP

[Shelayne]

Yikes.

Sorry, I was just trying to flesh this out. I thought I was referring to the same documents. I see that I am wrong. I only recently started diving into this, though I always thought there was something hinky about it.

I was never told over and over about these manuals because I have only recently become acquainted with them—via Sheriff Joe’s press conference, so you talking down to me as if I were some sort of troll or idiot is a bit over the top.

And just so I’m clear, I want to prove Zullo RIGHT, not wrong. I would love to see the current resident in the WH ousted and convicted as a fraud.

[LibertyRocks]

Thanks, LJ. I appreciate it.

[LibertyRocks]

I apologize for being disrespectful, and for lumping you in with the others on this thread.

[4Zoltan]

My mistake, I meant the National Center for Health Statistics and the National Vital Statistic Division

In 1961 both were part of the Dept. of Health. Look at the cover pages of the 1961 Vital Statistics of the United States, Natality

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/vsus/vsus_1961_1.pdf

Also look on page 5-4 at Figure 5-1 of the Technical Appendix. There is a copy of the Standard Certificate of Live Birth. States like Hawaii modified the standard certificate but much of the information remained the same.

Zullo says twice that coding was a Federal requirement and he never mentions a separate Hawaii coding system.

Can you specifically point to where Zullo even mentions the tables used in the video?

[Shelayne]

Apology accepted. Thank you. :^)

I see I have a lot to learn about this, and I can understand how exasperating this must get when you are so familiar with the facts, and some troll comes along and deliberately interjects fiction into the dialogue.

[TheCipher]

Zullo says twice that coding was a Federal requirement and he never mentions a separate Hawaii coding system.

Actually he does in this interview. He says Field 12b was a Hawaii coding. It starts about the 3:09 mark

ABC15 Interview

[Dr. Sivana]

If #9 in 1961 actually meant “other non-white” then explain how they got from “African” to #9 (other NON-white) when Africa had many WHITE people living in it in 1961.

Of course, and even moreso in a place like Hawaii, which is both familiar with a vast array of races, ethnicities and nationalities compared to, say, Helena Montana or Burlington Vt where a foregn black from Afrca might have been a bit of a novelty in 1961.

[SouthernClaire]

Thanks for the response, LibertyRocks. My questions were probably answered a long time ago by sharper minds than mine and it would take an idiot like me to come behind them and ask anyway. I realized a long time ago that the saying that there are no stupid questions is utterly false. Trust me, there are very stupid questions and I’m good at proposing them.

I searched the Internet to try to find that for which I was looking but to no avail. If you’ll recall, VS is the baby girl who died early on (a couple of days?) and it was supposed at some points in time that it was her BC being used by BO. During this speculation, there was a suit by her brother to obtain a copy of her BC because Hawaii stalled, huffed and puffed, and would not release it to him although he was in fact, IIRC, her very, very real and fo’ sho’ next of kin.

I’m willing to bet because of lack of mention of it that the issue was put to bed a long time ago and I simply missed hearing or reading about whatever the deciding factors were to lay it down.

Best Regards,

SC

[4Zoltan]

This was an interview the day after the press conference.

So he says that the “Race of Father” code was a Federal code and the “Kind of Business or Industry” code was a Hawaiian code. That is what I said earlier, some of the fields appear to have been coded using Hawaiian codes others using Federal codes (post 134).

So why did they use the 1968 Federal codes in the video? He doesn’t explain that.

BTW, I found one other statement by Zullo to be interesting. He mentions an article by Bennett (2:23 mark) that he says “outlines these procedures”. I think he is talking about this article here

http://www.wnd.com/files/CHARLESBENNETT.pdf

There is only a very general discussion about how BCs were handled and nothing about the certification numbering or the BCs being held and then batch numbered.

He also doesn’t mention the BC of the girl born August 23rd, 1961.

If BCs were held until the end of the month and batch numbered, why would they not use that BC also in their analysis?

Here is Butterdezillion’s analysis of the cert # for that BC,

http://butterdezillion.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/wnd-bc-forgery.pdf

Is the girl’s cert # lower then Obama’s and the Nordyke’s?

That would not fit the CCPs theory.

[philman_36]

Common courtesy is that if you mention a FReeper you include them in the "To" field.

So why did they use the 1968 Federal codes in the video?
How is it that you expect anybody to answer that question in their place? Wouldn't you be better served asking them?

Is the girl’s cert # lower then Obama’s and the Nordyke’s?
It's not shown so how can anybody answer that question?
Since you seem to know who "the girl" is why don't you ask her?

[4Zoltan]

Thank you. I’ll certainly do that in the future.

[philman_36]

So what about the rest of my reply?
You've got no response?

Or were your questions only rhetorical questions after all and you only posed them for appearances sake?

[butterdezillion]

It’s only been put to bed because nobody is willing to publish the story.

There is a LOT more that needs to be said about a lot of things, but I’m not at a place where I can discuss it yet.

The Ah Nee BC is a whole ‘nother story but that expose’ has to wait a little while too.

Suffice it to say at this point that the HDOH is even more crooked than I had thought, and that should tell everybody something. It is absolutely critical that we see the microfilm rolls - not only the roll containing the Obama, Nordyke, Sunahara, Ah Nee, and Waidelich, etc BC’s but rolls from other years so we can find out who is telling the truth about how they numbered the BC’s and who is engaging in disinformation. And which of those BC’s have been forged and by whom.

That’s all I’ll say for now.

[little jeremiah]

I just don’t have the time to read all the threads I want to read....

[rxsid]

No. And why would I? There is zero evidence to support such a theory. Only an opinion, nothing more.

Furthermore, with what is known about Sr. it is highly unlikely the guy was anywhere near anyone to "self report" to.

[rxsid]

Do you believe Sr. or one of the family members "self reported?"

If so, based on what evidence?

Additionally, what then, should the code be for that box?

[rxsid]

...and then, I go ahead and bite anyway. Lol. Guess it’s because I’ve not been on for a while. Been busy.

[rxsid]

"9 was a nearly universal code indicating a blank/null numeric field. A decade or so later, when the code was changed to two digits, as was reported earlier in this thread, notice that the 9 for “not stated” became, wonder of wonders, 99!

Ask anybody who worked in computer programming, coding, keypunching, etc., back in the days of punched cards and magnetic tape. 9 was filler for a numeric field that could not be left blank but for which there was no data supplied.

When, for example, a person didn’t have a social security number but a computer program required a number to be in that field, 999999999 was the social security number and it meant, guess what? There wasn’t a number to put in so we filled it with 9s.

That’s why when the race field was left blank on that birth certificate, Verna coded it 9. When the type of business was left blank, Verna coded it 9. It’s simple. It’s common knowledge among people old enough to know and remember."

Exactly, it's the younger generation kids that don't know of, or understand this concept.

Speaking of SSN's and 9's:

Who Gets 999 Social Security Numbers?

History
For SSNs assigned before 1972, the first three numbers reflect the state where you applied for the number. After 1972, the first three digits reflect the zip code in the mailing address on your application for the SSN.

Facts
The Social Security Administration has never issued a number in the 800 or 900 range. Therefore, a number beginning in 999 is not valid.

Misconceptions
Some universities have assigned nine-digit "temporary" Social Security numbers to post-graduate foreign nationals beginning with 999. The temporary number is designed to be replaced once the graduate student has received a valid SSN.

Considerations
A number beginning in 999 may be an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN), a tax processing number issued by the Internal Revenue Service (IRS). This number is also nine digits, and it always begins with the number nine.

Warning
If you're given a 999 Social Security number, consider it a fraudulent number. The Social Security Administration maintains the Social Security Number Verification Service to help verify fraudulent numbers."

And hey...check that out. A segue into Barry's fraudulent SSN!

[noinfringers2]

O.J’s glove didn’t fit because if I recall the fitting scene he was wearing plastic surgical like gloves on his hands. I never could understand why the fitting was not done over bare skin. Perhaps I missed something at this point of the trial. However, the idea/intent to obscure a true condition is very much a part of Obama and his enablers mode of operation.

[SouthernClaire]

Thanks, Butter. I understand and appreciate your response.

Can’t say enough how much I admire you for standing for truth and doing what you do. You and some others here on FR who’ve worked so selflessly and tirelessly on this can’t possibly know the extent of the high regard in which you’re held by so many people. My prayer is that one day you will. May God bless you always.

Best Regards,

SC