Posted on 07/20/2012 12:58:56 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
So here we have 'Jared Loughner #2' with a twist; James Eagen Homles as Batman's nemesis 'The Joker'.
Are guns to blame? I say no. Secularism taught in the schools is to blame. Children today are indoctrinated into their social media culture where religions of all kinds are mocked, especially Christians and God Almighty. The mere mention of God is subject to attack and relentless bullying. The 'G' word is met with the same fierce reaction as the 'N' word. Blaming guns for a person's actions is a diversion from the REAL culprit in our society; The secular, Godless individual.
Your point was to claim people shoot children because they are "godless". I would ask you to explain exactly how your point was somehow "proven" by me calling you out on crassly exploiting this tragedy to push your religiousity, but we both know that you cannot.
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"I’ll not say the “G” word. I don’t want to offend you."
You know nothing about me or my beliefs.
BTW, I am done with you, so do not bother to respond. Your thread turns my stomach.
What a pant-load!
This nut was one of your “God fearing devout Christians”, or at least went through the motions very convincingly.
I, on the other hand, am a genuine real world atheist, gun owner, and conservative.
I’ve never shot anybody, not even a couple of thugs I probably should have, and certainly could have, with both a clear conscience and backing of the law.
I’m tired of self-righteous zealots attempting to blame myself and others who happen to share an appreciation for what can be confirmed in the real world, over “Faith”, for all the evils of the world.
Get a grip, your diatribe is as irrational as something Bin laden would spout off!
In any large population there will always be a few nuts, irrespective of “Religion” or it’s absence.
I hear medical school is tough, this wacko cracked, for all you know he found some conflict between Med. school and your precious religious doctrine which drove him over the edge.
It will be days, probably months, before enough FACTS are known to begin drawing any conclusions from this tragedy.
Your attempt to exploit this for holy zealotry is unbecoming, it puts you on a level with Chuck Schumer in his attempt to blame gun ownership in order to curtail our RKBA.
Shame on you!
The greatest godless influence on our nation’s children are GODLESS government schools! Just to cooperate in the classroom the child **MUST** learn to think and reason godlessly! How could it be otherwise?
Oh!....And please don’t think that going back to some magical era is a solution. In the past government schools offered children a lukewarm and generic Protestantism. What does Christ do with the lukewarm? Answer: He spits them out of His mouth!
Children who attend government owned and run socialist-entitlment schooling risk learning to be comfortable with socialism and worshiping at the pagan altar of government goodies. It only took one to three generations of socialist-entitlment schooling to give the nation Woodrow Wilson and Franklin D. Roosevelt.
All schools have a religious worldview. **ALL** of them! Private and socialist-entitlement government schools have a religious worldview. Why? Because religious neutrality can not exist in the mind of any sentient being.
So?...What are the religious worldview choices that **all** schools must decide upon? Answer: godless or God-centered. Neither choice is religiously neutral in content or consequences for the child or the nation.
Lucky you! You get to have the taxpayer to support and establish your anointed religious worldview of atheism.
Government schools: The government established Church of Godless Indoctrination.
“Does your school call ‘Easter Vacation’ ‘Spring Break’? Does your school call ‘Christmas Vacation’ ‘Holiday break’??? “
So what?
My kids(now middle aged) and my grandchildren always attended public school in a town with a large Jewish population.They have used those terms for years are are all decent,hard working people.
Essentially, you are very lucky that the taxpayers are supporting and establishing your religious worldview.
Fundamentally, government schools are not religiously neutral and never have been. Why?
Answer: A religiously neutral education is impossible because it is impossible for any sentient human to be religiously neutral. Every human must choose between a godless or God-centered worldview and neither worldview is neutral in content or consequences. Just as all sentient humans must choose between the non-neutral positions of godless or God-centerrd, so must **all** schools!.
I support and agree with your argument.
I read your posts and respect your opinion.
I never wanted religion taught to my child in public schools. They are not qualified to teach religion. That is the role of the church and the family. I now do not want the school to teach religion to my grandson. That is still the role of the church and the family.
Fundamentally, government schools are a First Amendment and freedom of conscience abomination. The only solution is to begin the process of privatiization.
Axiom: It is** impossible **to have a religiously neutral government school because religious neutrality can not exist in the mind of a sentient human.
God-centered government schools are ** not ** religiously neutral because it violates the rights of parents who want their children to think and reason godlessly. There is also the knotty problem of which religion?
Godless government schools are NOT religiously neutral because they teach the child to think and reason godlessly which is in absolutely contradiction ) even and abomination) to that which many God-centered worldviews teach.
We must get rid of government owned and run socialist-entitlement K-12 schooling.
Again....Lucky you! You get the taxpayer to fund the religious worldview ( godless) of your children.
I can see you are struggling with this.
I can hardly think of anything that the government does that has completely neutral religious, political, and cultural consequences. It is for this reason our Founding Fathers wanted government ( especially on the federal level) to be as **limited** as possible.
Education has **enormous** political, cultural, and religious content and consequences that are never neutral. It if for this reason we should attempt, in every way possible, to see that education is** privately** delivered and that these political, cultural, and religious decisions are **privately** decided between the **private **school administration and the parent.
In an ideal world there would be complete separation of school and state.
And there should be separation of church and state. When I was in school the only difference in religions were protestant and Catholic. Because we were a very small town, we oft times had school functions at one of our churches. The Catholics were not allowed to attend anything in a Protestant church. That was the biggest conflict we had. Now there are so many different religions represented, it would be impossible to bring religion into education. Which religion do we choose? Everyone says...MY religion of course. Only mine. It does not work that way nor should it. And this is no struggle for me at all. But I do thank you for your response and I do respect your point of view. I just cannot agree with it, with all due respect, wintertime.
Wintertime, I have no problem with my tax dollars going to public education. The founders saw public education as being for the good of society. And it is. You are free to place your children in private school or religious schools. I chose not to after Kindergarten for my daughter who attended a Christian school until she started first grade in public school. She did the same for her son. We both chose public schools for our own reasons. And have not regretted it. Again, I never wanted the teachers in school to teach my daughter or grandson religion. That is the role of the church and the family. You and I can differ and no harm done. I respect your opinion and hope you will respect mine. Thank you for the debate though. I always enjoy, well, most of the time, hearing the other side of the argument. It is oft times thought provoking and interesting. It does not mean one of us is right and the other wrong. It simply means we disagree. It is wonderful for a democracy.
Also, wintertime, it has been pointed out several times that the shooter in Aurora attended the Presbyterian Church with his family where they are very active. This had absolutely nothing to do with the shootings.
We will never get rid of public schools. The majority overwhelmingly choose public schools. And there is no need to “begin the process of privatization.” Private schools are a choice you are free to make. They have been available for a very long time. You are free to place your children in private school. You are not free to place my children or my neighbor’s children in same. That is a choice we get to make.
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