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“Already, 58 senators have objected to any treaty that includes civilian arms,” LaPierre said at the UN, referring to senators who have signed on to letters from Sens. Jerry Moran (R-Kansas) and Jon Tester (D-Mont.).

58 senators recognize the meaning of the Second Amendment. IMHO, we're closer to the magic 60 in the Senate than most people appreciate. How many pols are correct on the Second Amendment, but otherwise liberal? They are few and far between, IMHO.

Tester is making noise for a reason. Rep. Denny Rehberg (R-Mont.), the state's only Congressman, is going after his seat this November.

1 posted on 07/13/2012 12:56:38 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem
'The Arms Trade Treaty will not in any way handicap the legitimate right of self-defense,' Acting Under Secretary of State for Arms Control and International Security Rose Gottemoeller said in a tweet last week.

Anyone here believe this?

2 posted on 07/13/2012 1:06:29 PM PDT by Bon of Babble (The Road to Ruin is Always Kept in Good Repair)
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To: neverdem

Anytime George Soros throws his funding to support something - I this case the UN small arms treaty - warning flags should be all over the place. Keep the pressure up with our representatives - these people cannot be trusted.


3 posted on 07/13/2012 1:08:36 PM PDT by Chainmail (Warfare is too serious to be left to the amateurs)
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To: neverdem

Anytime George Soros throws his funding to support something - I this case the UN small arms treaty - warning flags should be all over the place. Keep the pressure up with our representatives - these people cannot be trusted.


4 posted on 07/13/2012 1:08:43 PM PDT by Chainmail (Warfare is too serious to be left to the amateurs)
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To: neverdem

Anytime George Soros throws his funding to support something - I this case the UN small arms treaty - warning flags should be all over the place. Keep the pressure up with our representatives - these people cannot be trusted.


5 posted on 07/13/2012 1:09:06 PM PDT by Chainmail (Warfare is too serious to be left to the amateurs)
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To: neverdem
The only way to address NRA's objections is to simply and completely remove civilian firearms from the scope of the treaty. That is the only solution. On that, there will be no compromise.

I'll warn you again, in a nation that once employed privateers with full military capability, a nation that once counted its defense as every able bodied male and not a standing army, a nation that now bans hand-held weapons, there is no room for the ambiguity as to what constitutes "civilian arms." Do not let this quote become the defining meme in this debate.

Consider what will happen when hand-held military weapons and high tech body armor make firearms irrelevant. Are you willing to allow the Second Amendment be degraded from "arms" in general to "civilian firearms"?

6 posted on 07/13/2012 1:22:22 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party Switcheroo: Economic crisis! Zero's eligibility Trumped!! Hillary 2012!!!)
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To: neverdem

Oh don’t worry says the UN. We wouldn’t dare infringe on your gun rights. Just let us pass this treaty and see what’s in it.

Between this and the LOST treaty, we are in deep trouble FRiends. While 58 Senators say they will not agreeto this 18 Republicans —enough to pass the LOSTY treaty say they will vote for it.

IMO TRAITORS. I don’t care if one of them did serve in Vietnam , He is a TRAITOR if he votes away our rights to our own water.


7 posted on 07/13/2012 1:26:14 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: neverdem

Why the qualification regarding “civilian arms”?

The NRA should vehemently oppose this socialist, Nanny-State, one-worldism in its entirety.


10 posted on 07/13/2012 2:07:24 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Ayn Rand: "In any compromise between food and poison, it is only death that can win")
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To: neverdem

It shouldn’t be phrased “civilian arms”, it should be phrased “citizen OWNERSHIP of arms”.....ANY arms. But IMO there should be no treaty, period.


11 posted on 07/13/2012 2:43:53 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: neverdem

A point to be made is that, an objective review of the past 300 years shows that people have generally been better behaved with weapons than have governments. If either party should be disarmed, it should certainly be the worlds governments rather than the worlds people.


12 posted on 07/13/2012 2:44:35 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Legalize Freedom!!)
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To: neverdem

Posted on the site:

Make no mistake: Gun registration really means that you will need to get governmental permission to be able to defend yourself.

Don’t believe me?

Envision a DMV style gun registration office in the near future.

After waiting a hour or two in line to register you means of self-defense……

[And paying the heavy taxes on such means therein]

……It’s finally your turn with the uncaring bureaucrat behind the counter, you step up and detail what you have.

They will then enter your data and if there is any reason why you shouldn’t possess your guns they won’t allow you to register them and most likely they will be confiscated on the spot.

Perhaps those in favor of such a scam can tell me how that couldn’t happen…


13 posted on 07/13/2012 2:49:02 PM PDT by Voice of Reason1 (Absolute power corrupts absolutely Lord Acton 1887)
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To: neverdem
There is only ONE "red line" to be drawn with regards to the 2nd Amendment: Lexington and Concord.
17 posted on 07/13/2012 3:45:55 PM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: neverdem

Good for the NRA. The fact that there are less than 60 senators that don’t respect the 2nd Amendment is frightening....and the ones that don’t need replacing!


19 posted on 07/13/2012 4:15:50 PM PDT by luvie (Never forget...WE have THEM surrounded! ~ Rush Limbaugh)
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To: neverdem

We shall see.


20 posted on 07/13/2012 4:44:23 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: neverdem

Only 2/3 of senators present are needed to pass it.


23 posted on 07/13/2012 8:23:50 PM PDT by wastedyears ("God? I didn't know he was signed onto the system.")
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To: neverdem; All

I really could give a flyin’ fart what the NRA opposes (vehemently, or aggressively) on this issue...

I believe it is MORE important to what YOU, the American citizen is going to do about this...

The U.N., and progressive elements within our elected cadre of elitist bringers of crapola would NOT even be entertaining the lobbying of this effort if there was not a good chance of it passing...

The fix is in, I would say the time is now to make sure you do not waste time burying what you got...The time is now to be cleaning, lubricating, practicing and preparing fir the day they start confiscating...

I would not trust anyone with the knowledge of your possessions, not even family members...Sell a few things (junk) off, if anything, keep that paperwork to deflect scrutiny when they do start going around looking for hardliners like us...

Might as well get started now...

The clock is ticking...


28 posted on 07/14/2012 2:43:55 PM PDT by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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