WELL JIM, ENJOY THE BED YOU HAVE MADE: Quix's latest Opus Installment

Wellllllll Jim, Enjoy The Bed You’ve Made . SUMMARY: . IN COMPLEX INTERPERSONAL SITUATIONS AND RELATIONSHIPS—WHO CAN KNOW WHAT IS “REALLY REAL?” APPEARANCES ARE WHAT IS REAL TO THE OBSERVER CONCERNED. So, in many respects, the REAL might be the opposite of the statements below. However, the statements ARE PERCEIVED TO BE—APPARENTLY REAL ENOUGH for evidently thousands of FREEPERS that only idiots would fail to give such assertions fitting prayerful pondering.

1. Your leadership and leadership culture are consistent with those of a fairly complex person—like many of us.

2. Your leadership and leadership team CAN be quite generous, forgiving, kind, patient, understanding, compassionate, stalwart, tough, durable, endearing, perceptive, sensitive, thoughtful, persistent, occasionally self-effacing, prefer peace and peacableness; . . .

3. Your leadership and leadership team CAN also be quite arrogant, mean-spirited, harsh, abusive, very foul-worded, hypocritical, mercenary, spiteful, !!!CONTROLLING!!!, narrow, rigid, brittle, prickly, vengeful, judgmental, erratic, flip-floppy, irrational, arbitrary, hypocritical, petty, shallow, prefer flailing about in bitter harsh ways . . .

4. Like all of us with such disadmirable traits, such junk MUST come from your early history and less than ideal fathering (or possibly mothering and/or both).

5. For whatever reasons you have failed to work such junk through very far or very thoroughly.

6. Which might be largely neither here nor there in the larger scheme of things—EXCEPT THAT—you HAVE BEEN GIVEN OF GOD an incredible honor, opportunity, calling, gift, mandate—which you have appeared to increasingly squander to alarming degrees on arrogance, greed, foul, petty, dishonorable ugliness and ineffectual chaotic nastiness, conflictedness, unnecessary contentiousness and the like.

7. As I’ve often said—it’s fine with me if FREEPERS make you rich every day. If a million FR users and lurkers wish to give you a dollar or 5 dollars a day or a month the rest of your life—GREAT. FR gives lots of usefulness, pleasure, relationships and community to many thousands of people daily day in and day out; year in and year out.

7.1 Given the importance of the financial aspect to so many people . . . here’s some comments I posted earlier:

7.2 There is FARRRR tooooo little transparency and candor in terms of finances generally and specifically.

7.3 There is FARRR TOOOOOOO much abuse of even long time users and big time donors. What kind of management brilliance does it take to run off for petty shallow reasons folks who donated $2,500 PER FREEPATHON . . . and folks who donated $500 PER FREEPATHON . . . folks who just left in disgust if not hurt and anger over the petty abuse they took (or their friends or people they respected took) for no good reason. There's evidently some sort of spiritual and psychodynamic sickness at the deep root of such nonsense. And it appears to be getting worse instead of better.

7.4 Begging for funds with various kinds of shallow manipulations and funky hogwash could just be harmless fun among friendly family . . . except that . . . those giving such funds faithfully for more than 10 years are NEVER REALLY SECURE in the RELATIONSHIP and not even in being able to enjoy the FR HOME THAT THEY PAID FOR AND HELPED BUILD from virtually the ground up.

7.5 At some point, the arrogant dogmatic !!!CONTROL!!! freaque domineering fist pounding that "IT'S HIS HOUSE!" "IT'S HIS LIVING ROOM!" is outrageous, hypocritical and just plain factual nonsense. It is FREEPERS who have built up the readership of FR. It is FREEPERS' creativity and writing skills and interesting personalities who have build up FR's once great attractiveness to a wider audience.

7.6 Who paid for the carpet? Who paid for the paint? Who paid for the furniture? Who paid for the pics on the wall? Who pays for the electricity? Who pays for the heat and air conditioning? Who pays the insurance? Who pays the other utilities? Who pays for the internet service? Who pays for the gardening? Who pays for the groceries? Who pays for the transportation? Who pays for the "coming soon servers" that never quite seem to arrive?

7.6.2 It appears that with readership down 16-20% over the last 6 months or so . . . an increasing number of people are flushing the 'guest' out of their lives.

7.7 Clearly, it's the FREEPER SHEEPLE who have been paying through the nose in the face of erratic, arbitrary, irrational abuse year in and year out--never knowing when the mean-streak is going to strike out and slap them hard or even ban them--sometimes in the foulest language any "Christian" was ever known to utter or write. And then their EXTENDED FAMILY that has become so dear and precious to them—sometimes their literal life-savers--will be suddenly flushed out of their lives with absolutely no recourse whatsoever.

7.8 It is ACTUALLY ABOUT AS REASONABLE to say that JR and family are the squatters in the FREEPERS' HOME. . . . you know . . . that old founding documents thing . . . OF THE PEOPLE, FOR THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE?

And even that wouldn’t be soooooo outrageous IF a REPRESENTATIVE sample (REPRESENTATIVE—AS IN “REPUBLIC”!!!) of the FREEPER COMMUNITY had a seat at the table to offer input and advice THAT WAS OBVIOUSLY THOUGHTFULLY AND FAIRLY CONSIDERED each quarter. But, NOPE, the fist pounding, insecure, arrogant !!!CONTROL!!! freak domineering junk always rules.

8. HOWEVER, the mean-spirited, arrogant, hypocritical etc. junk has APPEARED to poison your well from the beginning. There have been gross hypocrisies. Early on you were reportedly utterly convinced (with good reason, actually) that Bush was complicit in drug running through Arkansas etc. Yet, fairly early on, you became convinced or persuaded that any discussion of conspiracy stuff on FR had to be forbidden—and mocked as absurdly untrue.

9. You would pontificate at length about maintaining a CONSISTENT stance as a Republic on the unchanging values and foundation of the founding fathers and founding documents. You claimed therewith to be the Premier Conservative website etc. in support thereof. All this was repeatedly stated with great pontifical emotion and fanfare while your leadership and leadership team APPEARED TO BE an erratic, irregular grossly inconsistent, grossly petty, shallow, flip-floppy and often a pathetic chaotic, haphazard, directionless mess.

10. Some folks have documented that few of the political figures you have ended up supporting have won. I don’t know that THAT means a huge lot, given the globalists insuring that the whole SElection/voting mess is 98% farce, charade, futile. However, there’s been a great deal of emotion, energy, expense, time, angst UTTERLY AND TOTALLY WASTED on !!!DEMANDING!!! that loyal FREEPERS support person XYZ and NOT ABC under pain of banning. Only to wake-up the next morning and have to flip-flop with the FR leadership team—too often—seemingly 180 degrees. And to do that with a straight face as though it were rational, made sense and was of benefit to the Republic has been more than a little off the wall and mystifying to thousands of FREEPERS. I don't know where folks were supposed to check their brains and integrity as they complied with the FR Pied Piper in following that nonsense lock-step.

11. You have evidently repeatedly and reportedly from the early years--returned evil for good. That’s been true toward individuals and toward classes and groups of individuals. There’s no excuse for that. None. There’s dozens of ways to avoid that in any kind of disagreement. SOMETIMES it has APPEARED that you and/or your leadership team have gone out of your way to do that—SOMETIMES SEEMINGLY in the meanest, harshest ways handy. Scripture is quite clear about the consequences of that kind of sowing.

12. You can be glibly self-effacing and disarmingly dismissive of the quality of your own Christianity, your leadership, your understanding . . . a list of things in that paragraph that ON THE SURFACE sounded and appeared impressive. Sadly, shortly after, it appeared to be merely propaganda for the FREEPATHON. It became quickly unclear how much of an earnest, heart-felt confession it really was—largely because there was no follow-up fruit of such a confession. It soon rang hollow and a farce. The arrogance, harshness and arbitrary and erratic !!!CONTROL!!! freak stuff quickly returned.

13. You and your leadership team have pontificated, exclaimed and wailed about !!!LOYALTY!!! and !!!BETRAYAL!!! while demonstrating the most petty and absurdly based disloyalty and outrageous betrayal of anyone who was ever a part of FR. You have absolutely no room to talk or complain about either one of those issues. You have merely reaped A PORTION of what you have so chronically, persistently and often mean-spiritedly sown in such regards. And your reaping is far from finished on such scores.

14. You have rightly and honorably claimed Christian values as a hallmark of your personally held priorities as well as FR’s priorities. Sometimes you have followed through—such as with your very admirable and honorable tenacious insistence that prayer threads be allowed in the main NEWS forum. By the same token, you have frequently demonstrated a hideous tendency to lapse into harsh, abusive, foul-mouthed communications publicly and privately—which would make many a sailor blush. None of us is 100% free 100% of the time of 100% of all hypocrisy. However, the frequency and ruthlessness of such foul-mouthed and arbitrary harshness out of clearly a mean-streak is NOT AT ALL a fruit of Holy Spirit. AT some point, perceptive, thinking and discerning folks have to ask themselves: Where is the real JimRob and just how much of an authentic Christian is he? And what game is he REALLY playing for what goal(s)? And doe HE even know or have a clue who he is and what he's about?

15. Many of us have been prayerful and seriously concerned about your health problems for a long time. However, sadly, even there some of us are troubled. Given the relationship between the MIND, BODY AND SPIRIT, one has to wonder if your health would be significantly better if your spiritual health and persistent demonstrations of your spirituality were more consistent with the advertising. In short—mean-spiritedness produces a troublesome harvest in the body, in relationships, in the psyche and certainly in the spirit. At some point, all the prayers in the world will not force a STUBBORN, mean-spirited ARROGANT soul to be better, healthy. As Scripture notes:

For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, And stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. . . .” I don’t know if the rest of that verse applies to you at present, or not. I know you’re on slippery ground on that score.

16. And IDOLATRY will NOT WORK for anyone—even the king of FR. It doesn’t matter if one nurses one’s own bitterness as idolatry; or if one idolizes one’s country; or one’s own press releases; or one’s FR baby or whatever. Idolatry is a deadly poison.

17. I’ve agonized for many months over how to write the compassionate but stern rebuke I felt pressed so strongly in my spirit to write. People either seem to suck-up to you in fierce psychophant fashion—or to trash you as a minion of satan. I see you more as a typical Attachment Disordered man hung up on some serious spiritual and psychodynamic flaws like most of us in our era. So what. However, to stubbornly cling to one’s arrogance, stubbornness, meanness . . . and to ALLOW, much less seem to exalt in spewing such all over the thousands of folks who give money for your support and the support of your baby . . . that is at best unwise and at worst a pretty hideous example of human excess.

18. I don’t know what God intends to do with you and/or FR. I know you are NOT indispensable. I know that FR will NOT significantly influence the corrupt farce of a November SElection process—if we get that far in any kind of functional shape as a Nation.

19. I know that you have been given a priceless gift and honor of ENORMOUS potential good for the Nation, millions of individuals and the Body of Christ. And you & your leadership team have appeared to squander horrendous chunks of that potential on pettiness, personal pique, arrogance, stubbornness, meanness, willful blindness and willful ignorance. I know that many thousands of people in and out of the Body of Christ who COULD HAVE BEEN FITTINGLY AND USEFULLY WARNED about the spiritual and practical hazards of satanic globalism as well as the fallen angel UFO stuff have not been warned because of y’all’s junk and the junk of the likes of JeanS and Dirtboy and their cadre of harpies. To the degree THAT is true, there will be embarrassing amounts of blood on such hands, come judgment day—unless confession and repentance are heart-felt effected before then—and even then, though it may cover such sins redemptively with Christ’s blood—it will not save thousands who would have otherwise been saved had such a sobering responsibility been carried more fittingly and Biblically earlier.

20. Yet again, as all of us every day—have a choice. You can continue as is most likely—as you have for decades. The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. And, I am well aware that you have rarely to never demonstrated, to my awareness, the least bit of a constructive response to negative feedback. It’s more likely that such a msg will result in a hardened heart, more arrogance and more stubbornness. That will be however it will be, with the responsibility for individual choices resting with each individual on your leadership team as well as on your supporters.

21. I only know of one priceless brilliant Christian in the upper levels of FR respect, who could likely help pull FR out of such a mess. You know who that is. You probably know they would be highly unlikely to ever say anything—particularly unasked. And, even if asked, they would likely be very sparse with their words—and it would be easy for you to discount, dismiss and ignore their wisdom. They would not push it. Shoot, they likely even would help you circle the wagons unless God made it clear they needed to do otherwise for your spiritual and other health.

22. Time is running out. Your options are shrinking daily in a list of ways as they are for all of us--unless we abide in Christ. I don’t know if Fresno is at a high enough elevation to escape coming traumas for California. I don’t think it is. Besides, the Chinese are not likely to be kind to Californians when they arrive to take possession of so much that they now own. I don’t’ know if HumbleGunner’s place in Texas is far enough from the coast and from Mexico to be wise either. I just know, you and all on the planet need to do MUCH BETTER at getting your spiritual house and your practical house in order--faster.

22. The question was raised in the FREE QUIX thread you closed yesterday about whether I’d like to return to FR. (A) I don’t feel the freedom to do that without your confession, repentance and evidence that you are going to sincerely back such confession and repentance up with “fruit” as the Bible might put it. Confess and repent about what? Whatever of the above that God would confirm as having validity and truth in your life. I suspect hell would freeze over before you’d humble yourself sufficiently to confess and repent. BTW, it needs to be public because your junk was flung about so freely publicly. (B) I don’t feel the freedom to return unless my posting options would cease to be curtailed by mindless, ignorant boundaries. That would include about globalism AS WELL AS the fallen angel UFO topic. I miss the relationship connections but God is God and always will be God and makes even that OK. Besides, folks can find me on this TBL forum.

22.1 Yes, THIS TOO is done as I’d want done toward me IF I’d demonstrated the junk you and your leadership has demonstrated for 11+ years. I’d want someone to care enough to try and starkly but caringly get my attention about such horrors in my life and turf.

23. I do thank you for the years I had on FR of many fulfilling and meaningful exchanges with very interesting people of great diversity but a lot of shared values. May God richly reward you for the humble part I had in all that.

24. I do pray that you earnestly do what you can to, by God’s Grace, truly get your act together. Reaping what we have sown can be a troublesome challenge for all of us. Given your evident current bent, I’d much hate to see any further reaping what you have sown.

Jim, you clearly do not have much of an open mind here. But something rather remarkable has happened and you do not seem to be recognizing it, so I will go ahead and point it out explicitly.

I have been criticizing the extremist Mitt Haters, not for hating Mitt, but rather for doing so in a way that is of low character.

(I am pretty sure you are in no mood to appreciate the distinction I'm making here, but I AM making a distinction and it IS important.)

Now, apparently, someone (not me) has posted scurrilous stuff about you and FR under my handle on the "TBL" site, and lo and behold a couple of the most vociferous Mitt Haters are here on this thread posting quotes from these fraudulent posts.

Here's what I think is going on:

I think one or more of the Mitt Haters created the bogus "TBL" account themselves, wrote the ugly posts, and then used their handiwork to slander me to you.

What I take away from this episode is that I was exactly correct in identifying these extreme Mitt Haters as people of low character whose domination of the political threads on this site has been bad for FR and bad for conservatism.

Now, as I said above, you seem in no mood to step back and wonder whether and how you might be getting played here. It seems that your antipathy for Mitt Romney is so intense that you just don't care about anything else.

But character and integrity are critical. "Character is destiny" goes the old saying. You have said numerous things critical of my character over the last couple of months, all of them false (as I've pointed out to you in each instance). I have never once disparaged your character, not here on FR or anywhere else, despite your claims to the contrary.

That is a fact.

A very well phrased response.

I frequently agreed with Quix’s perspective, but disagreed with his/her method.

Quix’s posts frequently appear frustrated, probably from a litany of adjectives bouncing around his aim, never seeming to improve the focus of meaning.

Instead, such method appears to have become a rant, scarring his soul to accuse more than to edify.

Every established institution has legitimate authority. Those who respect that legitimate authority share the blessings of the institution which freely shine upon all.

Whether one agrees or disagrees with JR, he is the legitimate authority of this institution.

Those who slip in their freedom to challenge legitimate authority are not justified when they are held accountable for their behavior.

My thanks to JR for his patience and for what I perceive as just handling of many an abrasive thread, not to mention a forum for many freedom loving Americans.

Patiently reading the body of this article by Quix, I witness behavior which is identified with Quix. As with many believers, he has a core faith which is properly directed to God, but somewhere a strong temptation has arisen to unnecessarily influence the thinking and behavior of others by adversarial accusations.

That accusing appears to occur when he is closest able to express his frustration. I probably have a similar fault.

I’ve found that by relying through faith in Christ upon His Plan and His method, no matter how heinous the situation, He still has an adequate method to handle things constructively. I might not be able to control all things, but then again, if I did, I would have even more things to worry about.

Regarding Quix’s penchant for CTs, UFOs, the unexplained, etc,...unlike many other posters, IMHO, Quix has developed a substantial academic skillset in addition to spiritual gifts. Those are rare qualities in an age when they should be more common.

On one hand, he cannot be accused of being lukewarm. On the other hand, the only authority, by which one can justifiably accuse other brethren, must come from perseverant faith in Christ. If the accuser has become more accustomed to satiating their lust to accuse and rant, than to edify the body of Christ, then that person has lost legitimate authority,...like a clanging cymbal.

Nevertheless, he devotedly takes on some strong challenges.

Would be nice to get a screen shot of someone else posting under your handle elsewhere, and then posting on that forum to point out that the poster is is fact a fraud.

Maybe those who say you posted slander elsewhere would be kind enough to produce said posts, or link them?

I'm not following you here, but in fact I have now (since my last post to this thread) gone to "TBL" and searched out the fake "rogue yam" posts there. There seem to be only six posts, all posted today, only one mentioning FR, and the offending text therein has already been quoted above by a Freeper who I don't know but with whom I have clashed on political threads recently.

Jim's post at the top of this thread said a copy of this post had been sent to him. It seems that the someone registered as "rogue yam" at "TBL", posted a slam of Jim, and then immediately that slam was forwarded to Jim.

I would be very curious to know who sent the "TBL" post to Jim. If it was someone posting about it on this thread then I find that especially interesting.

Having been at the raw end of the odd poster fka Quix, I am happy he left. I ping the Catholic Caucus for comments and possibly other opinions.

Well, Narses, since you pinged me..
If I made a list of everyone I've encountered on FR who posted anti-Catholic stuff on FR, Quix would be pretty far down on my list as far as what I deem to be inflammatory statements. I pretty much skip the religion wars on FR, but assume they are alive and well.

I think in terms of the religious flames, Catholics are considered somewhat respectable these days compared to the strafing I've seen directed at another denomination, and certainly not contained to the religion forum or Smoky Backroom

I am a member of TBL, and I post under the same name I do here.I joined TBL because it allows me to stay in touch with posters I know from FR who got zotted here, or who find all the anti-LDS stuff offensive, and over the top.Some of those posters are from my home state, some are Catholics, some are just friends.

I avoid the TOS forum at TBL, just as I avoid the "Ride the Lightning" high five feeding frenzy stuff over here.

Things got pretty nasty over here during the Primaries. I was a Perry supporter, fwiw.

Anyway, I'm never really glad to see anyone get zotted, or maligned, or called names whether it's here or at TBL, or Lucianne's, or any other online forum.

Besides the froot loop comments on this thread I also find the calls for zotting anyone who posts at both TBL and here off putting since I would hope we still can enjoy freedom of association with whom we wish, and still be respectful of others at all times, and all places. I know some long time FReepers who have supported this site's mission both financially, and during Freeper events who do feel pain and/or hurt by the change in atmosphere here.I miss all the great Freepers we've lost to death over the years. I hate losing any long timers to zotsville.

I would be remiss if I did not say that when I've asked JR's permission to run a "Freeper needs help" thread, he has always been generous and supportive of me-whether it was help for a Freeper who lost her home in a terrible flood, or on another occasion when a Freeper's son went missing in the mountains after his car went off a cliff, and help with the search was needed. Freepers responded in both those instances with such caring and compassion. There was such a sense of family.

It was the same sense of family we all enjoyed eating Mexican Food together when Orvil was still alive, or more recently at the Alamo during TPX visits.

During the 2000 election debacle, as Freepers (and the world) waited for the outcome of the election, we were all galvanized. Weekends were spent protesting at the State Capital. Even out of state Freepers came to join. I remember Jeff Head came from Idaho, and he and his dog marched here. Now, Jeff's an object of derision by some. It saddens me.

Okay, narses, you pinged me for my comments, and opinion, and that's my two cents worth..a really long two cents worth.

A further note on strong challenges.

While I intended the comment as a complement for Quix, it should be noted such is not always complementary.

There exists a common form of arrogance amongst the well intentioned when they are exposed to injustice, to seek a higher authority to justify their position. Nothing wrong with that perspective, unless the higher authority being appealed isn’t righteous.

I recall some in academia, who were denied higher status, or sought employment and turned down by those with less than a quarter their academic skill sets for positions demanding less than 10% their skills, on the basis of their GPAs from most competitive institutions not being as high as those competitors who hadn’t completed a junior college AA degree. The injustice of the situation frustrated some to the point of seeking the Nobel Prize as a method to manifest their competence to the world, and quite truthfully, it wouldn’t have been too surprising if they had achieved it.

The problem with that type of thinking is that it is a type of arrogance, which is not in fellowship with God through faith in Christ.

It might be a difficult challenge, laudable by the world, but if not performed through faith in Christ, it becomes a counterfeit substitute for His Plan.

Well Jim, if you are indifferent to such blatant dishonesty as creating a fake account, etc., then what can I say?

And as for “our conservative posters”, I think that anyone perpetrating such slander is by definition not conservative due to the whole “Thou shalt not bear false witness...” thing.

But really, if what you are unable to stomach are my observations that certain prolific posters here are campaigning against Romney using irrational, dishonest, and abusive methods (again please note: NOT saying they’ll not vote for Romney, and NOT even campaigning against Romney, but doing so using irrational, etc., methods), or my observations that some posters are counseling despair and defeatism, then there you go.

These things I observe are certainly happening (numerous others are posting these same observations, after all) but if you chose to make it against the rules to notice them then that is your prerogative.

But is is simply not true that observing the truth is hostile to you or FR, and observing the truth is certainly not un-conservative, which is your other favorite charge against my posts.

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