Posted on 07/04/2012 1:16:13 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
Wellllllll Jim, Enjoy The Bed You’ve Made . SUMMARY: . IN COMPLEX INTERPERSONAL SITUATIONS AND RELATIONSHIPS—WHO CAN KNOW WHAT IS “REALLY REAL?” APPEARANCES ARE WHAT IS REAL TO THE OBSERVER CONCERNED. So, in many respects, the REAL might be the opposite of the statements below. However, the statements ARE PERCEIVED TO BE—APPARENTLY REAL ENOUGH for evidently thousands of FREEPERS that only idiots would fail to give such assertions fitting prayerful pondering.
1. Your leadership and leadership culture are consistent with those of a fairly complex person—like many of us.
2. Your leadership and leadership team CAN be quite generous, forgiving, kind, patient, understanding, compassionate, stalwart, tough, durable, endearing, perceptive, sensitive, thoughtful, persistent, occasionally self-effacing, prefer peace and peacableness; . . .
3. Your leadership and leadership team CAN also be quite arrogant, mean-spirited, harsh, abusive, very foul-worded, hypocritical, mercenary, spiteful, !!!CONTROLLING!!!, narrow, rigid, brittle, prickly, vengeful, judgmental, erratic, flip-floppy, irrational, arbitrary, hypocritical, petty, shallow, prefer flailing about in bitter harsh ways . . .
4. Like all of us with such disadmirable traits, such junk MUST come from your early history and less than ideal fathering (or possibly mothering and/or both).
5. For whatever reasons you have failed to work such junk through very far or very thoroughly.
6. Which might be largely neither here nor there in the larger scheme of things—EXCEPT THAT—you HAVE BEEN GIVEN OF GOD an incredible honor, opportunity, calling, gift, mandate—which you have appeared to increasingly squander to alarming degrees on arrogance, greed, foul, petty, dishonorable ugliness and ineffectual chaotic nastiness, conflictedness, unnecessary contentiousness and the like.
7. As I’ve often said—it’s fine with me if FREEPERS make you rich every day. If a million FR users and lurkers wish to give you a dollar or 5 dollars a day or a month the rest of your life—GREAT. FR gives lots of usefulness, pleasure, relationships and community to many thousands of people daily day in and day out; year in and year out.
7.1 Given the importance of the financial aspect to so many people . . . here’s some comments I posted earlier:
7.2 There is FARRRR tooooo little transparency and candor in terms of finances generally and specifically.
7.3 There is FARRR TOOOOOOO much abuse of even long time users and big time donors. What kind of management brilliance does it take to run off for petty shallow reasons folks who donated $2,500 PER FREEPATHON . . . and folks who donated $500 PER FREEPATHON . . . folks who just left in disgust if not hurt and anger over the petty abuse they took (or their friends or people they respected took) for no good reason. There's evidently some sort of spiritual and psychodynamic sickness at the deep root of such nonsense. And it appears to be getting worse instead of better.
7.4 Begging for funds with various kinds of shallow manipulations and funky hogwash could just be harmless fun among friendly family . . . except that . . . those giving such funds faithfully for more than 10 years are NEVER REALLY SECURE in the RELATIONSHIP and not even in being able to enjoy the FR HOME THAT THEY PAID FOR AND HELPED BUILD from virtually the ground up.
7.5 At some point, the arrogant dogmatic !!!CONTROL!!! freaque domineering fist pounding that "IT'S HIS HOUSE!" "IT'S HIS LIVING ROOM!" is outrageous, hypocritical and just plain factual nonsense. It is FREEPERS who have built up the readership of FR. It is FREEPERS' creativity and writing skills and interesting personalities who have build up FR's once great attractiveness to a wider audience.
7.6 Who paid for the carpet? Who paid for the paint? Who paid for the furniture? Who paid for the pics on the wall? Who pays for the electricity? Who pays for the heat and air conditioning? Who pays the insurance? Who pays the other utilities? Who pays for the internet service? Who pays for the gardening? Who pays for the groceries? Who pays for the transportation? Who pays for the "coming soon servers" that never quite seem to arrive?
7.6.1 Just who is the guest of whom?
7.6.2 It appears that with readership down 16-20% over the last 6 months or so . . . an increasing number of people are flushing the 'guest' out of their lives.
7.7 Clearly, it's the FREEPER SHEEPLE who have been paying through the nose in the face of erratic, arbitrary, irrational abuse year in and year out--never knowing when the mean-streak is going to strike out and slap them hard or even ban them--sometimes in the foulest language any "Christian" was ever known to utter or write. And then their EXTENDED FAMILY that has become so dear and precious to them—sometimes their literal life-savers--will be suddenly flushed out of their lives with absolutely no recourse whatsoever.
7.8 It is ACTUALLY ABOUT AS REASONABLE to say that JR and family are the squatters in the FREEPERS' HOME. . . . you know . . . that old founding documents thing . . . OF THE PEOPLE, FOR THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE?
And even that wouldn’t be soooooo outrageous IF a REPRESENTATIVE sample (REPRESENTATIVE—AS IN “REPUBLIC”!!!) of the FREEPER COMMUNITY had a seat at the table to offer input and advice THAT WAS OBVIOUSLY THOUGHTFULLY AND FAIRLY CONSIDERED each quarter. But, NOPE, the fist pounding, insecure, arrogant !!!CONTROL!!! freak domineering junk always rules.
8. HOWEVER, the mean-spirited, arrogant, hypocritical etc. junk has APPEARED to poison your well from the beginning. There have been gross hypocrisies. Early on you were reportedly utterly convinced (with good reason, actually) that Bush was complicit in drug running through Arkansas etc. Yet, fairly early on, you became convinced or persuaded that any discussion of conspiracy stuff on FR had to be forbidden—and mocked as absurdly untrue.
9. You would pontificate at length about maintaining a CONSISTENT stance as a Republic on the unchanging values and foundation of the founding fathers and founding documents. You claimed therewith to be the Premier Conservative website etc. in support thereof. All this was repeatedly stated with great pontifical emotion and fanfare while your leadership and leadership team APPEARED TO BE an erratic, irregular grossly inconsistent, grossly petty, shallow, flip-floppy and often a pathetic chaotic, haphazard, directionless mess.
10. Some folks have documented that few of the political figures you have ended up supporting have won. I don’t know that THAT means a huge lot, given the globalists insuring that the whole SElection/voting mess is 98% farce, charade, futile. However, there’s been a great deal of emotion, energy, expense, time, angst UTTERLY AND TOTALLY WASTED on !!!DEMANDING!!! that loyal FREEPERS support person XYZ and NOT ABC under pain of banning. Only to wake-up the next morning and have to flip-flop with the FR leadership team—too often—seemingly 180 degrees. And to do that with a straight face as though it were rational, made sense and was of benefit to the Republic has been more than a little off the wall and mystifying to thousands of FREEPERS. I don't know where folks were supposed to check their brains and integrity as they complied with the FR Pied Piper in following that nonsense lock-step.
11. You have evidently repeatedly and reportedly from the early years--returned evil for good. That’s been true toward individuals and toward classes and groups of individuals. There’s no excuse for that. None. There’s dozens of ways to avoid that in any kind of disagreement. SOMETIMES it has APPEARED that you and/or your leadership team have gone out of your way to do that—SOMETIMES SEEMINGLY in the meanest, harshest ways handy. Scripture is quite clear about the consequences of that kind of sowing.
12. You can be glibly self-effacing and disarmingly dismissive of the quality of your own Christianity, your leadership, your understanding . . . a list of things in that paragraph that ON THE SURFACE sounded and appeared impressive. Sadly, shortly after, it appeared to be merely propaganda for the FREEPATHON. It became quickly unclear how much of an earnest, heart-felt confession it really was—largely because there was no follow-up fruit of such a confession. It soon rang hollow and a farce. The arrogance, harshness and arbitrary and erratic !!!CONTROL!!! freak stuff quickly returned.
13. You and your leadership team have pontificated, exclaimed and wailed about !!!LOYALTY!!! and !!!BETRAYAL!!! while demonstrating the most petty and absurdly based disloyalty and outrageous betrayal of anyone who was ever a part of FR. You have absolutely no room to talk or complain about either one of those issues. You have merely reaped A PORTION of what you have so chronically, persistently and often mean-spiritedly sown in such regards. And your reaping is far from finished on such scores.
14. You have rightly and honorably claimed Christian values as a hallmark of your personally held priorities as well as FR’s priorities. Sometimes you have followed through—such as with your very admirable and honorable tenacious insistence that prayer threads be allowed in the main NEWS forum. By the same token, you have frequently demonstrated a hideous tendency to lapse into harsh, abusive, foul-mouthed communications publicly and privately—which would make many a sailor blush. None of us is 100% free 100% of the time of 100% of all hypocrisy. However, the frequency and ruthlessness of such foul-mouthed and arbitrary harshness out of clearly a mean-streak is NOT AT ALL a fruit of Holy Spirit. AT some point, perceptive, thinking and discerning folks have to ask themselves: Where is the real JimRob and just how much of an authentic Christian is he? And what game is he REALLY playing for what goal(s)? And doe HE even know or have a clue who he is and what he's about?
15. Many of us have been prayerful and seriously concerned about your health problems for a long time. However, sadly, even there some of us are troubled. Given the relationship between the MIND, BODY AND SPIRIT, one has to wonder if your health would be significantly better if your spiritual health and persistent demonstrations of your spirituality were more consistent with the advertising. In short—mean-spiritedness produces a troublesome harvest in the body, in relationships, in the psyche and certainly in the spirit. At some point, all the prayers in the world will not force a STUBBORN, mean-spirited ARROGANT soul to be better, healthy. As Scripture notes:
1 Samuel 15:23
For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, And stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. . . .” I don’t know if the rest of that verse applies to you at present, or not. I know you’re on slippery ground on that score.
16. And IDOLATRY will NOT WORK for anyone—even the king of FR. It doesn’t matter if one nurses one’s own bitterness as idolatry; or if one idolizes one’s country; or one’s own press releases; or one’s FR baby or whatever. Idolatry is a deadly poison.
17. I’ve agonized for many months over how to write the compassionate but stern rebuke I felt pressed so strongly in my spirit to write. People either seem to suck-up to you in fierce psychophant fashion—or to trash you as a minion of satan. I see you more as a typical Attachment Disordered man hung up on some serious spiritual and psychodynamic flaws like most of us in our era. So what. However, to stubbornly cling to one’s arrogance, stubbornness, meanness . . . and to ALLOW, much less seem to exalt in spewing such all over the thousands of folks who give money for your support and the support of your baby . . . that is at best unwise and at worst a pretty hideous example of human excess.
18. I don’t know what God intends to do with you and/or FR. I know you are NOT indispensable. I know that FR will NOT significantly influence the corrupt farce of a November SElection process—if we get that far in any kind of functional shape as a Nation.
19. I know that you have been given a priceless gift and honor of ENORMOUS potential good for the Nation, millions of individuals and the Body of Christ. And you & your leadership team have appeared to squander horrendous chunks of that potential on pettiness, personal pique, arrogance, stubbornness, meanness, willful blindness and willful ignorance. I know that many thousands of people in and out of the Body of Christ who COULD HAVE BEEN FITTINGLY AND USEFULLY WARNED about the spiritual and practical hazards of satanic globalism as well as the fallen angel UFO stuff have not been warned because of y’all’s junk and the junk of the likes of JeanS and Dirtboy and their cadre of harpies. To the degree THAT is true, there will be embarrassing amounts of blood on such hands, come judgment day—unless confession and repentance are heart-felt effected before then—and even then, though it may cover such sins redemptively with Christ’s blood—it will not save thousands who would have otherwise been saved had such a sobering responsibility been carried more fittingly and Biblically earlier.
20. Yet again, as all of us every day—have a choice. You can continue as is most likely—as you have for decades. The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. And, I am well aware that you have rarely to never demonstrated, to my awareness, the least bit of a constructive response to negative feedback. It’s more likely that such a msg will result in a hardened heart, more arrogance and more stubbornness. That will be however it will be, with the responsibility for individual choices resting with each individual on your leadership team as well as on your supporters.
21. I only know of one priceless brilliant Christian in the upper levels of FR respect, who could likely help pull FR out of such a mess. You know who that is. You probably know they would be highly unlikely to ever say anything—particularly unasked. And, even if asked, they would likely be very sparse with their words—and it would be easy for you to discount, dismiss and ignore their wisdom. They would not push it. Shoot, they likely even would help you circle the wagons unless God made it clear they needed to do otherwise for your spiritual and other health.
22. Time is running out. Your options are shrinking daily in a list of ways as they are for all of us--unless we abide in Christ. I don’t know if Fresno is at a high enough elevation to escape coming traumas for California. I don’t think it is. Besides, the Chinese are not likely to be kind to Californians when they arrive to take possession of so much that they now own. I don’t’ know if HumbleGunner’s place in Texas is far enough from the coast and from Mexico to be wise either. I just know, you and all on the planet need to do MUCH BETTER at getting your spiritual house and your practical house in order--faster.
22. The question was raised in the FREE QUIX thread you closed yesterday about whether I’d like to return to FR. (A) I don’t feel the freedom to do that without your confession, repentance and evidence that you are going to sincerely back such confession and repentance up with “fruit” as the Bible might put it. Confess and repent about what? Whatever of the above that God would confirm as having validity and truth in your life. I suspect hell would freeze over before you’d humble yourself sufficiently to confess and repent. BTW, it needs to be public because your junk was flung about so freely publicly. (B) I don’t feel the freedom to return unless my posting options would cease to be curtailed by mindless, ignorant boundaries. That would include about globalism AS WELL AS the fallen angel UFO topic. I miss the relationship connections but God is God and always will be God and makes even that OK. Besides, folks can find me on this TBL forum.
22.1 Yes, THIS TOO is done as I’d want done toward me IF I’d demonstrated the junk you and your leadership has demonstrated for 11+ years. I’d want someone to care enough to try and starkly but caringly get my attention about such horrors in my life and turf.
23. I do thank you for the years I had on FR of many fulfilling and meaningful exchanges with very interesting people of great diversity but a lot of shared values. May God richly reward you for the humble part I had in all that.
24. I do pray that you earnestly do what you can to, by God’s Grace, truly get your act together. Reaping what we have sown can be a troublesome challenge for all of us. Given your evident current bent, I’d much hate to see any further reaping what you have sown.
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Quix’s Lutheresqe theses remind me of another Scandinavian square-head, left wing tool Garrison Keillor.
Swedish stork (or maybe he’s a Norsky—I don’t care/same thing) Keillor spends a great number of pages in the book `Lake Wobegon,’ in an article presumably dropped off at the local newspaper by a disgruntled younger version of himself, whining and moaning about growing up unappreciated, stifled and embarrassed by his family, friends and fellow townspeople.
Q should try to sell it to one of the networks. They love this kind of self-pitying, garment-rending, hair-shirt bull-shite. (Or mebbe Public Radio, “Lake WoeIsMe, The Story of Q: I Was Abused By Rightwing Nazis”).
Since you asked....
Quix was nice to me. He acted like a gentleman when he spoke to me in FReepmail.
God Bless all of us.
It’s not my job (eventhough I’ve tried ‘and it’s documented’) to make folks think or feel any certain way.
That would be the task of those who created this maddness.
IMO, this whole thing has gotten out of control and there are those who can remedy it. I hope they do.
XOXOXO
When you think about it, this is a lot like the forced multi-culti BS. You have a culture of strident conservatives and another where they are stridently GOP. The two can coexist a lot of the time but you cannot get them to play by the same rules. And that’s where the ‘fun’ begins. And the power plays. And the backstabbing.
This ‘scene’ has played out a million times in culture, politics and everywhere else. The faces change but the results are the same. Every time.
Amen Tara.
LLS
It is nice to have fans and be loved and appreicated isn’t it?
I know I’d read and enjoyed some of the posters on said site - while they were at FR - but I see that I am not the only one to have unfond memories of sinkspur. Cool.
I feel badly as I am too easily drawn in to the hatefests, pro and con, over mitt, whom i actually do hate as much as obie, but it spills over into the personal. And for that I am guilty and apologize. It's not the Christian thing to do.
The anti-Mormon thing is uncalled for. They're generally the nicest people I've met. Nothing at all like muslims. My beef with obie and mitt is purely political.
I don't know what the answer is. I think most folks here agree in tearing down the won, but I don't know how one can bridge the gap between one side making the practical decision to vote mitt to get rid of the muslim and the other side who has been stabbed in the back one too many times by RINOs.
It's an election year, so how can Conservatives rightly bring up the won's failings without bringing up mitt? Expediency vs Principle. I don't see compromise between either camp.
Personally I'd rather people stay on, and to that end I will try to tone it down for my part.
As far as the fallen angels/UFOs - on a scale from 1 to 10 I would have to say that it sure is.
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Wrong. Completely and utterly wrong.
Comfortable is the swamp.....:o)
Well, the drama is dramatic. I'll give it that.
(((((Squantos)))))
ILY!
Thank you for saying that...I use to help out Quix with the End Times Ping List on the Religion Forum..Quix also freepmailed me countless times for Prayer Pings with Freepers going through a serious personal crisis...
If you are a Christian your are OBLIGATED by Christ himself to forgive and pray for other’s who have hurt or wounded you...
If you are not a Christian then you will trash other’s refuse to pray for them and live like most of the world does...
I pray that Quix can find his PEACE with Christ again..The World offers NO PEACE....
I am sorry to say some people here are standing in Judgement themselves with Jesus Christ....
Let people go there way and if you believe in the Power of Prayer then Grace and Forgiveness will come to all involved in hurt and controversy...
Satanic Brigade??!
I should add that those people have a specific section attacking FR on the site. A lot of names that people would know, even I don’t know all of them as I came in 2009. But I know some of the people who used haunt this site over there and turned on the site.
Despite there claims of free speech and allowing views they did get rid of someone who appeared under the Nickname of LMAO. Since all the posts got erased, I can’t tell you exactly what went down. But it sounds like he called them out and they didn’t like it. So away he went. They thought he was spy or something.
I know I’m not nitpicking when I call that site a hate site.
I remember its founding and its purpose and that hasn’t changed.
No no. Fatima is the most huggable person on FR. Just one of her threads contains more hugs than most of us will get in a lifetime.
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Beats me! LOL.
Hiya potlatch!!!!
I know you do. Now ... get back to the Group W bench and don’t get up again! ;p
I do pray that you earnestly do what you can to, by God’s Grace, truly get your act together. Reaping what we have sown can be a troublesome challenge for all of us. Given your evident current bent, I’d much hate to see any further reaping what you have sown.
I only read your last statement. Who are you to talk about what anyone has sown. Jim HAS NOT bowed to the altar of evil. and do mitt's evil work for him!!
But YOU HAVE - by doing Mitt's, a CULT LEADER'S, evil work for him by TRASHING both NEWT and SARAH and JIM and tried to deceive others with it. Through LIES and DECEPTION is how mitt is the 'presumptive nominee'. HE DIDN'T EARN IT. Where are YOUR POSTS on who Mitt is? After all, you didn't miss a beat trashing Sarah and NEWT with LIES and your deliberately DECEIVED presumptions!
DON'T use God's name for YOUR AGENDA! Remember - there is reaping time! God's OWN does NOT live in fear!! So take your fear of 'what is to come' and shove it! HIS OWN know HIS WORD and Follow it. YOU only talk about it but DO THE OPPOSITE - everything worldly/UFO/NWO - and associating conservative Sarah and Newt with such but NOT your same sex marriage baby killing cult candidate!! You hear but DO NOT OBEY!! Confessing God but NOT THE POWER. HIS OWN are NOT the fearful crowd or those trying to instill fear! Fear is from satan!!
Jesus taught "FEAR NOT" and what do you do when your back is against the wall - fall apart like a cheap suitcase. YOU do NOT believe in the POWER of God and HIS WORD to protect HIS OWN. Jim does - so you better watch what you say about REAPING what was sown!!
"Be strong and courageous, and do the work. Do NOT be AFRAID or discouraged, for the LORD God, my God, is with you. He will not fail you or forsake you until all the work for the service of the temple of the LORD is finished.
"The LORD is my light and my salvation; Whom shall I fear? The LORD is the strength of my life; Of whom shall I be afraid?
You are a HEARER but NOT A DOER! Not even the rules of Jim's house!! And still trying to break down the door with vileness and speaking out against ONE who DOES NOT BOW to evil - hoping you can deceive others into your eeb of deception.
When and if I have the time - I'll read what you wrote as I only read the last statement but I hardly doubt it, THE WILLINGLY DECEIVED and workers of inequity are not worth my God-given time right now - as some are HELL BENT to learn the hard way as they live in and promote fear which is totally against GOD'S WORD. Its no wonder they trash those who will NOT bow to evil - MISERY wants company.
YOU have NO IDEA what it means to be 'free in Christ' - HIS OWN DO! Because WE BELIEVE HIM!
"I was young and now I am old, yet I have NEVER SEEN the righteous forsaken or their children begging bread."
Psalm 37:28 "For the LORD loves the just and will NOT FORSAKE HIS FAITHFUL ONES. They will be protected forever, but the offspring of the wicked will be cut off;
Proverbs 10:3 The LORD does not let the righteous go hungry but he thwarts the craving of the wicked.
I do pray that you earnestly do what you can to, by God’s Grace, truly get your act together.
Who do you pray to? Praying for a man who DIDN'T and WON'T bow to evil while you have? GET YOUR "ACT" together - using God's name and prayer for manipulation purposes is EVIL!!
" Reaping what we have sown can be a troublesome challenge for all of us."
Say THAT to your CULT leader - not JIM! And what you have sown doing mitt's work is on you - you OWN IT! And your attempt to defile SARAH and NEWT and JIM are seeds you have sown. HARVEST TIME IS COMING!!
Given your evident current bent, I’d much hate to see any further reaping what you have sown.
You won't see anything as YOU will be TOO BUSY doing your OWN reaping and BLAMING JIM for it. Some are too hell bent to take ownership of what they do.
LEAVE GOD out of your manipulative/agenda driven posts. Manipulation is from the pit!
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