Posted on 07/04/2012 1:16:13 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
Wellllllll Jim, Enjoy The Bed Youve Made . SUMMARY: . IN COMPLEX INTERPERSONAL SITUATIONS AND RELATIONSHIPSWHO CAN KNOW WHAT IS REALLY REAL? APPEARANCES ARE WHAT IS REAL TO THE OBSERVER CONCERNED. So, in many respects, the REAL might be the opposite of the statements below. However, the statements ARE PERCEIVED TO BEAPPARENTLY REAL ENOUGH for evidently thousands of FREEPERS that only idiots would fail to give such assertions fitting prayerful pondering.
1. Your leadership and leadership culture are consistent with those of a fairly complex personlike many of us.
2. Your leadership and leadership team CAN be quite generous, forgiving, kind, patient, understanding, compassionate, stalwart, tough, durable, endearing, perceptive, sensitive, thoughtful, persistent, occasionally self-effacing, prefer peace and peacableness; . . .
3. Your leadership and leadership team CAN also be quite arrogant, mean-spirited, harsh, abusive, very foul-worded, hypocritical, mercenary, spiteful, !!!CONTROLLING!!!, narrow, rigid, brittle, prickly, vengeful, judgmental, erratic, flip-floppy, irrational, arbitrary, hypocritical, petty, shallow, prefer flailing about in bitter harsh ways . . .
4. Like all of us with such disadmirable traits, such junk MUST come from your early history and less than ideal fathering (or possibly mothering and/or both).
5. For whatever reasons you have failed to work such junk through very far or very thoroughly.
6. Which might be largely neither here nor there in the larger scheme of thingsEXCEPT THATyou HAVE BEEN GIVEN OF GOD an incredible honor, opportunity, calling, gift, mandatewhich you have appeared to increasingly squander to alarming degrees on arrogance, greed, foul, petty, dishonorable ugliness and ineffectual chaotic nastiness, conflictedness, unnecessary contentiousness and the like.
7. As Ive often saidits fine with me if FREEPERS make you rich every day. If a million FR users and lurkers wish to give you a dollar or 5 dollars a day or a month the rest of your lifeGREAT. FR gives lots of usefulness, pleasure, relationships and community to many thousands of people daily day in and day out; year in and year out.
7.1 Given the importance of the financial aspect to so many people . . . heres some comments I posted earlier:
7.2 There is FARRRR tooooo little transparency and candor in terms of finances generally and specifically.
7.3 There is FARRR TOOOOOOO much abuse of even long time users and big time donors. What kind of management brilliance does it take to run off for petty shallow reasons folks who donated $2,500 PER FREEPATHON . . . and folks who donated $500 PER FREEPATHON . . . folks who just left in disgust if not hurt and anger over the petty abuse they took (or their friends or people they respected took) for no good reason. There's evidently some sort of spiritual and psychodynamic sickness at the deep root of such nonsense. And it appears to be getting worse instead of better.
7.4 Begging for funds with various kinds of shallow manipulations and funky hogwash could just be harmless fun among friendly family . . . except that . . . those giving such funds faithfully for more than 10 years are NEVER REALLY SECURE in the RELATIONSHIP and not even in being able to enjoy the FR HOME THAT THEY PAID FOR AND HELPED BUILD from virtually the ground up.
7.5 At some point, the arrogant dogmatic !!!CONTROL!!! freaque domineering fist pounding that "IT'S HIS HOUSE!" "IT'S HIS LIVING ROOM!" is outrageous, hypocritical and just plain factual nonsense. It is FREEPERS who have built up the readership of FR. It is FREEPERS' creativity and writing skills and interesting personalities who have build up FR's once great attractiveness to a wider audience.
7.6 Who paid for the carpet? Who paid for the paint? Who paid for the furniture? Who paid for the pics on the wall? Who pays for the electricity? Who pays for the heat and air conditioning? Who pays the insurance? Who pays the other utilities? Who pays for the internet service? Who pays for the gardening? Who pays for the groceries? Who pays for the transportation? Who pays for the "coming soon servers" that never quite seem to arrive?
7.6.1 Just who is the guest of whom?
7.6.2 It appears that with readership down 16-20% over the last 6 months or so . . . an increasing number of people are flushing the 'guest' out of their lives.
7.7 Clearly, it's the FREEPER SHEEPLE who have been paying through the nose in the face of erratic, arbitrary, irrational abuse year in and year out--never knowing when the mean-streak is going to strike out and slap them hard or even ban them--sometimes in the foulest language any "Christian" was ever known to utter or write. And then their EXTENDED FAMILY that has become so dear and precious to themsometimes their literal life-savers--will be suddenly flushed out of their lives with absolutely no recourse whatsoever.
7.8 It is ACTUALLY ABOUT AS REASONABLE to say that JR and family are the squatters in the FREEPERS' HOME. . . . you know . . . that old founding documents thing . . . OF THE PEOPLE, FOR THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE?
And even that wouldnt be soooooo outrageous IF a REPRESENTATIVE sample (REPRESENTATIVEAS IN REPUBLIC!!!) of the FREEPER COMMUNITY had a seat at the table to offer input and advice THAT WAS OBVIOUSLY THOUGHTFULLY AND FAIRLY CONSIDERED each quarter. But, NOPE, the fist pounding, insecure, arrogant !!!CONTROL!!! freak domineering junk always rules.
8. HOWEVER, the mean-spirited, arrogant, hypocritical etc. junk has APPEARED to poison your well from the beginning. There have been gross hypocrisies. Early on you were reportedly utterly convinced (with good reason, actually) that Bush was complicit in drug running through Arkansas etc. Yet, fairly early on, you became convinced or persuaded that any discussion of conspiracy stuff on FR had to be forbiddenand mocked as absurdly untrue.
9. You would pontificate at length about maintaining a CONSISTENT stance as a Republic on the unchanging values and foundation of the founding fathers and founding documents. You claimed therewith to be the Premier Conservative website etc. in support thereof. All this was repeatedly stated with great pontifical emotion and fanfare while your leadership and leadership team APPEARED TO BE an erratic, irregular grossly inconsistent, grossly petty, shallow, flip-floppy and often a pathetic chaotic, haphazard, directionless mess.
10. Some folks have documented that few of the political figures you have ended up supporting have won. I dont know that THAT means a huge lot, given the globalists insuring that the whole SElection/voting mess is 98% farce, charade, futile. However, theres been a great deal of emotion, energy, expense, time, angst UTTERLY AND TOTALLY WASTED on !!!DEMANDING!!! that loyal FREEPERS support person XYZ and NOT ABC under pain of banning. Only to wake-up the next morning and have to flip-flop with the FR leadership teamtoo oftenseemingly 180 degrees. And to do that with a straight face as though it were rational, made sense and was of benefit to the Republic has been more than a little off the wall and mystifying to thousands of FREEPERS. I don't know where folks were supposed to check their brains and integrity as they complied with the FR Pied Piper in following that nonsense lock-step.
11. You have evidently repeatedly and reportedly from the early years--returned evil for good. Thats been true toward individuals and toward classes and groups of individuals. Theres no excuse for that. None. Theres dozens of ways to avoid that in any kind of disagreement. SOMETIMES it has APPEARED that you and/or your leadership team have gone out of your way to do thatSOMETIMES SEEMINGLY in the meanest, harshest ways handy. Scripture is quite clear about the consequences of that kind of sowing.
12. You can be glibly self-effacing and disarmingly dismissive of the quality of your own Christianity, your leadership, your understanding . . . a list of things in that paragraph that ON THE SURFACE sounded and appeared impressive. Sadly, shortly after, it appeared to be merely propaganda for the FREEPATHON. It became quickly unclear how much of an earnest, heart-felt confession it really waslargely because there was no follow-up fruit of such a confession. It soon rang hollow and a farce. The arrogance, harshness and arbitrary and erratic !!!CONTROL!!! freak stuff quickly returned.
13. You and your leadership team have pontificated, exclaimed and wailed about !!!LOYALTY!!! and !!!BETRAYAL!!! while demonstrating the most petty and absurdly based disloyalty and outrageous betrayal of anyone who was ever a part of FR. You have absolutely no room to talk or complain about either one of those issues. You have merely reaped A PORTION of what you have so chronically, persistently and often mean-spiritedly sown in such regards. And your reaping is far from finished on such scores.
14. You have rightly and honorably claimed Christian values as a hallmark of your personally held priorities as well as FRs priorities. Sometimes you have followed throughsuch as with your very admirable and honorable tenacious insistence that prayer threads be allowed in the main NEWS forum. By the same token, you have frequently demonstrated a hideous tendency to lapse into harsh, abusive, foul-mouthed communications publicly and privatelywhich would make many a sailor blush. None of us is 100% free 100% of the time of 100% of all hypocrisy. However, the frequency and ruthlessness of such foul-mouthed and arbitrary harshness out of clearly a mean-streak is NOT AT ALL a fruit of Holy Spirit. AT some point, perceptive, thinking and discerning folks have to ask themselves: Where is the real JimRob and just how much of an authentic Christian is he? And what game is he REALLY playing for what goal(s)? And doe HE even know or have a clue who he is and what he's about?
15. Many of us have been prayerful and seriously concerned about your health problems for a long time. However, sadly, even there some of us are troubled. Given the relationship between the MIND, BODY AND SPIRIT, one has to wonder if your health would be significantly better if your spiritual health and persistent demonstrations of your spirituality were more consistent with the advertising. In shortmean-spiritedness produces a troublesome harvest in the body, in relationships, in the psyche and certainly in the spirit. At some point, all the prayers in the world will not force a STUBBORN, mean-spirited ARROGANT soul to be better, healthy. As Scripture notes:
1 Samuel 15:23
For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, And stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. . . . I dont know if the rest of that verse applies to you at present, or not. I know youre on slippery ground on that score.
16. And IDOLATRY will NOT WORK for anyoneeven the king of FR. It doesnt matter if one nurses ones own bitterness as idolatry; or if one idolizes ones country; or ones own press releases; or ones FR baby or whatever. Idolatry is a deadly poison.
17. Ive agonized for many months over how to write the compassionate but stern rebuke I felt pressed so strongly in my spirit to write. People either seem to suck-up to you in fierce psychophant fashionor to trash you as a minion of satan. I see you more as a typical Attachment Disordered man hung up on some serious spiritual and psychodynamic flaws like most of us in our era. So what. However, to stubbornly cling to ones arrogance, stubbornness, meanness . . . and to ALLOW, much less seem to exalt in spewing such all over the thousands of folks who give money for your support and the support of your baby . . . that is at best unwise and at worst a pretty hideous example of human excess.
18. I dont know what God intends to do with you and/or FR. I know you are NOT indispensable. I know that FR will NOT significantly influence the corrupt farce of a November SElection processif we get that far in any kind of functional shape as a Nation.
19. I know that you have been given a priceless gift and honor of ENORMOUS potential good for the Nation, millions of individuals and the Body of Christ. And you & your leadership team have appeared to squander horrendous chunks of that potential on pettiness, personal pique, arrogance, stubbornness, meanness, willful blindness and willful ignorance. I know that many thousands of people in and out of the Body of Christ who COULD HAVE BEEN FITTINGLY AND USEFULLY WARNED about the spiritual and practical hazards of satanic globalism as well as the fallen angel UFO stuff have not been warned because of yalls junk and the junk of the likes of JeanS and Dirtboy and their cadre of harpies. To the degree THAT is true, there will be embarrassing amounts of blood on such hands, come judgment dayunless confession and repentance are heart-felt effected before thenand even then, though it may cover such sins redemptively with Christs bloodit will not save thousands who would have otherwise been saved had such a sobering responsibility been carried more fittingly and Biblically earlier.
20. Yet again, as all of us every dayhave a choice. You can continue as is most likelyas you have for decades. The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. And, I am well aware that you have rarely to never demonstrated, to my awareness, the least bit of a constructive response to negative feedback. Its more likely that such a msg will result in a hardened heart, more arrogance and more stubbornness. That will be however it will be, with the responsibility for individual choices resting with each individual on your leadership team as well as on your supporters.
21. I only know of one priceless brilliant Christian in the upper levels of FR respect, who could likely help pull FR out of such a mess. You know who that is. You probably know they would be highly unlikely to ever say anythingparticularly unasked. And, even if asked, they would likely be very sparse with their wordsand it would be easy for you to discount, dismiss and ignore their wisdom. They would not push it. Shoot, they likely even would help you circle the wagons unless God made it clear they needed to do otherwise for your spiritual and other health.
22. Time is running out. Your options are shrinking daily in a list of ways as they are for all of us--unless we abide in Christ. I dont know if Fresno is at a high enough elevation to escape coming traumas for California. I dont think it is. Besides, the Chinese are not likely to be kind to Californians when they arrive to take possession of so much that they now own. I dont know if HumbleGunners place in Texas is far enough from the coast and from Mexico to be wise either. I just know, you and all on the planet need to do MUCH BETTER at getting your spiritual house and your practical house in order--faster.
22. The question was raised in the FREE QUIX thread you closed yesterday about whether Id like to return to FR. (A) I dont feel the freedom to do that without your confession, repentance and evidence that you are going to sincerely back such confession and repentance up with fruit as the Bible might put it. Confess and repent about what? Whatever of the above that God would confirm as having validity and truth in your life. I suspect hell would freeze over before youd humble yourself sufficiently to confess and repent. BTW, it needs to be public because your junk was flung about so freely publicly. (B) I dont feel the freedom to return unless my posting options would cease to be curtailed by mindless, ignorant boundaries. That would include about globalism AS WELL AS the fallen angel UFO topic. I miss the relationship connections but God is God and always will be God and makes even that OK. Besides, folks can find me on this TBL forum.
22.1 Yes, THIS TOO is done as Id want done toward me IF Id demonstrated the junk you and your leadership has demonstrated for 11+ years. Id want someone to care enough to try and starkly but caringly get my attention about such horrors in my life and turf.
23. I do thank you for the years I had on FR of many fulfilling and meaningful exchanges with very interesting people of great diversity but a lot of shared values. May God richly reward you for the humble part I had in all that.
24. I do pray that you earnestly do what you can to, by Gods Grace, truly get your act together. Reaping what we have sown can be a troublesome challenge for all of us. Given your evident current bent, Id much hate to see any further reaping what you have sown.
« Last Edit: Today at 12:43:06 PM by Quix »
“Voting third party because you hate Mormons is pathetic”
How about if I don’t vote for Romney because he is a crypto-leftist RINO wussy?
Sorry.
Must have you confused with greyfox.
The praise rightly goes to those who have gone before me.
To those who have LIVED under the rules and regulations of MORMONism and have told THEIR stories to Free Republic.
And yes, even to the massive MORMON Empire; that is absolutely ANAL about recording EVERYTHING that it's ever done and making it available to the world!
Oh YEAH!?
Then tell him to get OFF of that dang comupuster thingy and come let me out of the barn!
Yup; these examples really makes certain folks look badly; don't they.
Pretending a RINO squish is the same as a radical leftist who hates America and all of the good it stands for is insane. Sorry, pretending that's "conservative" thinking or intelligent is as loony as anything I've ever heard.
Allowing this horrid administration to hold the reigns of power because you have some image of being "pure" is laughable.
I think you must secretly admire Quix for his consistency.......:-).....Hint: I'm not responding to your ssilliness here anymore, take this to another thread please.......
Yes, I know there are many who have gone before all of us here on this forum, and they’ve put in a lot of time and effort. I seem to remember a Sandra and Gerald Tanner, from reading some of their materials years ago. I think Sandra Tanner was a great-great granddaughter of Brigham Young (I can’t remember how many “greats”). She’s done a lot of work in exposing the duplicitous and deceiving ways of the Mormon institutional organization and hierarchy - with ample documentation.
Utah Lighthouse Ministry
http://www.utlm.org/
Then there is Walter Martin and his wonderful reference book - “Kingdom of the Cults”
http://www.waltermartin.com/cults.html
The Mormon cult and the Jehovah’s Witnesses cult are two of the “homegrown cults of the USA”. And I believe they are both two of the biggest CULT GROUPS in the USA.
And of course, what I’m talking about here in terms of CULT GROUPS (which they are) - is in terms of basic, foundational and historic Christianity (i.e., its teachings and doctrines) -versus- the false, apostate and satanic teachings of cult groups. They are a CULT GROUP when they depart from the foundational teachings of Christianity - and they are NOT CHRISTIANITY as a result, but a “pretend-to-be-Christianity” which is, by DEFINITION of Christianity - a CULT!
Now ... I know that many who are secular and not religious at all, or simply celebrate Christmas and Easter and that’s it, think of “cults” as the “Jim Jones types” ... where people are killed in mass suicides by drinking kool-aid and shooting Congressman, etc.
But, this is not the definition that Christianity uses. So, I would advise others to not get this confused with that secular idea of a cult group (as you might read in some large metropolitan newspaper).
What we’re talking about here is a CULT GROUP in terms of the authentic Gospel of Salvation (per the Scriptures, and only the Scriptures and not other spurious sources) and with the Bible being the absolutely authoritative and inerrant Word of God.
To bring home the point on the source of authority being God’s Word, I frequently bring up a very important “church declaration” (and that’s “church” as in the body of believers) - called the “Chicago Statement on Biblical Inerrancy”.
http://www.bible-researcher.com/chicago1.html
This is a very important document from the church, as the body of believers and from their leaders who represent them. This would be akin to the Council of Nicea, where leaders gathered to recognize and affirm that Jesus is, without a doubt, the Son of the Living God, and that has become part of our teachings and doctrines ever since then - and BECAUSE that’s what the Bible teaches, and not simply because some leaders “say so”. We can check their statements against the Bible and see that they are saying (in short-hand form) the same thing that the Bible is saying - and that’s why Christianity adheres to it - from then until now.
The Bible being God’s Word and Christians of today putting that forth as a point of recognition of what the Bible says, in being God’s Word - this is another “church gathering” and pronouncement on the order of the Council of Nicea.
SO ... I have personally dealt with those who come to spread the false doctrines and teachings of their CULT GROUPS - like those from Mormonism and from Jehovah’s Witnesses. And I’ve spent time with them and I see they are very deceived in their own minds and their thinking is clouded and they are blinded (as the Bible says) by Satan’s deceptions and wiles and they are taken in by the “ways of the world” which they make out to be God’s ways, but they are far from God’s ways - according to the Scriptures.
There are a lot of us who see those false doctrines - which do seem to be increasing these days and deceiving even more people than in the past. But, we’re told that this deception and false teachings will go on until the time that Jesus, the Messiah of Israel returns to his earth - to take His place as ruler over all the nations (all those you see right now) - and then He will rid the world of all these false doctrines and teaching and deception.
HOWEVER ... for those who have been deceived and “taken in” by those false teachers of some “unknown gospel” (which God has not given) - they will be LOST by then and be condemned to EVERLASTING DESTRUCTION in the lake of fire, as we see told in the book of Revelation. And this is what we’re trying to prevent for many of these people - that “eternal damnation”.
SO ... it doesn’t have to do with simply saying ... “Haha ... I’m right and you’re wrong!” ... and then walking away. No, not at all. It has to do with the ETERNAL DESTINY of these people and the fact that they will end up in the LAKE OF FIRE and ETERNAL TORMENT. That is what is at stake here, and not merely some “online argument” - as some people seem to think it is.
And ... we do so not only out of concern for these people - BUT ALSO - out of a COMMAND to us from our Lord Jesus Christ, in which we are to go out into the world to proclaim the true Gospel of Salvation - in order that THEY MAY BE SAVED — and not allow them to trust in a FALSE GOSPEL which will not save them from that coming judgement that we read about in the book of Revelation.
OKAY ... I signed up over there - and for a couple of reasons. One reason was that I read that another poster here said that his name was “hi-jacked” over there — and that “hi-jacker” was pretending to be him - and saying things that he didn’t say.
WELL ... I could just see someone hijacking me, too ... LOL ... and so I’m making sure they don’t! What you read over there now for “Star Traveler” is really me ... :-)
In fact, I would warn people - if you don’t want to be “hi-jacked” in name, you might consider doing that yourself!
And the second reason is that I figured that would give me a way to talk to my Christian friend - Quix - again. We used to do that a lot here, but, alas, he’s not here anymore; he’s only over “there”.
And so ... yes ... I did read what you were talking about. Apparently Quix says he was “agnostic” to the idea before, but has now come to put more stock in it. Of course, if you know Quix - whatever he gets his mind on - he’s VERY ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT ... a sort of understatement ... :-)
But, that doesn’t bother me, because if I disagree with him about something - we don’t get mad at each other and just like friends, it’s okay not to agree on everything.
The MAIN THING is that we’re “right on the mark” as far as the Christian faith is concerned and we are both very concerned about keeping the right doctrines and teachings intact (according to the Scriptures) - and we both know that when Jesus returns to this earth again that we’ll both be here to see Him and be with Him.
Anyway ... thanks for writing and telling me. I just thought I would let you know I found it and followed up on it.
Star Traveler !!!! Praise God ! Good to hear from you! I am not back on FR I left in January never to return. JESUS IS COMING! I had thought I would not hear from you until we meet on the other side of the river Jordan! God Bless you my brother/sister? IN Christ!
Likewise...
Pretending a RINO squish is BETTER THAN a radical leftist who hates America and all of the good it stands for is insane.
I'm on the east side; how 'bout you?
jonathan kleck
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On one side we have people trying to explain why they do not support Romney, on the other we have people who write that if you do not agree with them in supporting Romney you are delusional, insane, stupid, ignorant, democrat operative, secret obama supporter, trouble maker, non-Christian, mormon hater, hater, lunatic, deceiver, liar, incoherent, rambling, and (whatever the phrase of the day is)........this whole thread is fascinating.
I do not support Romney OR obama.
Bookmark
Yes indeed, we will meet there. In the meantime, I did send a note to you through your FReep mail ... :-)
I don't suppose you see over 95% of mormons voting for Mitt because of their shared mormonism as being pathetic, right?? That has been the case since '08 at least.
Their (your?) shared faith overrides his stance on abortion and homosexuality. Pathetic.
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