Catch-22 on ObamaCare?

6/28/2012 | Wide Meadow

[wide meadow]

Did this bill originate in the Senate or was it simply the Senate version of a House bill? If the former and this is a tax after all, Article I, Section 7 of the US Constitution states that all revenue bills shall originate in the House of Representatives.

[Perdogg]

This is the third or fourth time this has been asked today.

[xjcsa]

The Senate used the shell of a House bill to pass the law; it was an issue discussed at the time of passage, since regardless of the label (”tax” or “penalty”) it raised revenue, triggering the requirement to originate in the House.

[reasonisfaith]

I remember it starting in the Senate.

What a mess this is becoming.

[Lionheartusa1]

Since when does 0bama , the dems or the repubs. in the house for that matter give a crap about the proper protocol in creating a bill or new tax .

[Lionheartusa1]

Since when does 0bama , the dems or the repubs. in the house for that matter give a crap about the proper protocol in creating a bill or new tax . Can you say reconcilliation ???

[Retired Greyhound]

It originated in the House. The Senate came up with their own version. The Senate passed it using Reconciliation, the House “deemed” it to have passed, and they voted.

It was all a big sham.

[formosa]

It doesn’t matter. The supreme court will most likely not hear the case again for any reason.

[Hokestuk]

HUGE!

Or is it just another humdrum not actually huge thing?

[LowTaxesEqualsProsperity]

If the House bill was entirely stripped of House’s tax language, arguably the tax provisions of this monstrosity did not originate in the House, rendering the law unconstitutional.

[Crazieman]

The USSC has ruled the document is void, how do you propose we suddenly follow it?

[no-to-illegals]

I remember Men who could make their target dance when utilizing the 22 rifle. The Men mentioned are and were Veterans. Would like to speak with some of those Men of yesterday. One, of those Men, was my father. I remember one comment my earthly father said before he was off to be with his Father. Thus I have my earthly father's clue. My father's thought ... obama is either the anti-christ or one of the 4 coming riders mentioned in Revelations. Know these things will come to pass.

[PaleoBob]

This is the third or fourth time this has been asked today.

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And it’s all irrelevant in any case because the Bush Family’s consigliere, John Roberts, could care less what’s in the Constitution.

[LowTaxesEqualsProsperity]

If the bill’s tax provisions, rather than the bill itself, must orginate in the House, Roberts would have to address this or he would become a bigger laughingstock than when he flubbed the oath of office with Zero.

[cableguymn]

Yup.. They could go ask the supreme court if it matters. Ya know. The one that just gave it the seal of approval.

I hope they had good dirt on Roberts and Roberts feared for his life.

If he simply thought this crap was constitutional.. well.. words fail me.

[xjcsa]

If the House bill was entirely stripped of House’s tax language, arguably the tax provisions of this monstrosity did not originate in the House, rendering the law unconstitutional.

You could argue that - and honestly I would agree with you - but there's pretty clear precedent to the contrary, I believe.

[formosa]

Passions are running high right now and Roberts just made millions of enemies. I don’t condone violence but I do not think it was the left Roberts ever had to fear. And they certainly should not be the ones he fears now. Life just got a little more dangerous for all of us for many reasons.

Secondly I do not believe Roberts was threatened. Kennedy was always the weakest link. If the left was looking for a majority win, Kennedy would have been the one to go after.

[ICCtheWay]

First off - Romney, if he is elected - and telling the truth - says he will ‘Waive the obamacare requirement for all 50 states - as obama has done already for Nevada) Whatever the Senate/House origins of the obamacare bill it is now officially declared a TAX... Argue for years whether it originated in the House or the Senate... but this argument is not needed... If this obamacare monstrosity is a tax bill says SCOTUS - then Revoking this Tax bill should not take a Congressional Super Majority next term under a Republican President ... rather a simple majority of the U.S. House of Representatives could revoke the taxing authority of the obamacare law... and the Senate could concur with just sixty (60) votes at maximum (or perhaps only 51 votes depending upon how it is handled - maybe in the same way as the original bill - ‘reconciliation’ comes to mind). Then President Romney could sign the House and Senate passed Bill into law revoking the taxing authority of obamacare. The insurance mandate of obamacare would then be dead - having no taxing teeth and it will come to a halt in its cancerous spread. Then the rest of the neutered - dormant obamacare law could be dismantled piece by piece over the next one - two years.

[albionin]

Since when does the constitution matter? Obama routinely ignores it and the congress does nothing about it.

[saganite]

Do you really think Constitutional procedure matters anymore? When was the last time we had a budget?