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Liberals are always focusing on turn-out. I think that is the wrong focus. We should want voters who are informed and engaged.
1 posted on 06/26/2012 3:45:51 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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This shift coincided with a dramatic drop in turnout rates, from nearly 80 percent of the eligible population in 1896—which had been typical for the era—to 65 percent eight years later.

They have never recovered, falling to around 50 percent in 1996.


Wow. Talk about post hoc ergo propter hoc.

By that reasoning, having numerous precincts, multi-language ballots and extended hours also reduced turnout.

The main reasons turnout reduced is because access to the franchise was extended to larger groups of people (non-real property owners, 18 year-olds, etc. [I exclude women as a group because they vote ion greater proportion than the population at large]).

Another reason is that many offices just represent way too many people. It is one thing to vote for a mayor or a state rep or a congressman in a small town and state, but a Congressman today represents what would have been the population of several states in the 1850s.

The premise of the article is silly. In the era of the New Black Panthers and the SEIU, more than a little dangerous.
3 posted on 06/26/2012 3:53:17 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("You forget, it isn't who you claim, but instead, who claims you. We don't claim you!")
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We should want voters who are informed and engaged.

Indeed. Its sad how few people have a clue what their own congressman does every day. Every day I see comments in the local paper complaining that our congressman doesn't do anything based on the lack of news stories or major speeches.
4 posted on 06/26/2012 3:53:17 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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this is how zer0 got nominated in Iowa and never looked back. like the stupid caucuses where the individual lost out to group mentality which resulted in “we are required to vote for the Black Man” groupthink...

no, Atlantic ‘Commie’ Monthly, .....America is about Rugged Individualism....not the commune mentality.


5 posted on 06/26/2012 3:57:38 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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Cardcheck goes national.

The author is an idiot.


7 posted on 06/26/2012 4:06:32 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The Democratic Party strongly supports full civil rights for necro-Americans!)
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New England town government is by town meeting, in all six New England states. You vote by raising your hand, your vote is counted by a “teller”, a vote counter, who enumerates the number of hands he (or she) sees raised for yea, or nay. Turn out tends to light and special interest groups dominate.

That’s how Concord, MA, voted to ban the sale of bottled water in containers smaller than one liter.


9 posted on 06/26/2012 4:11:29 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (The Democratic Party strongly supports full civil rights for necro-Americans!)
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This is a threat....pure and simple.


10 posted on 06/26/2012 4:11:44 AM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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Oregon’s all mail-in. The secret ballot is long gone. I now hear from friends about ‘parties’ where the ticket is a properly filled out ballot. They verify the ballot, take it from you, and then mail it in. You get to enjoy a nice lunch for your effort.

The liberals are almost where they want to be.


12 posted on 06/26/2012 4:17:35 AM PDT by BobL
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"The most effective tool for turning nonvoters into voters—10 times better than the typical piece of preelection mail, according to a 2006 Michigan experiment—is a threat to send neighbors evidence of one’s apathy."

Need a ride to the polls, comrade?

13 posted on 06/26/2012 4:25:16 AM PDT by SnuffaBolshevik (In a tornado, even turkeys can fly.)
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Exactly right. Liberals love turnout because there are more of the uninformed than there are of the informed, there are nore of the uninvolved than the involved, and these are the type that think the government should “do something about whatever their problem is.
14 posted on 06/26/2012 4:25:58 AM PDT by chesley (God's chosen instrument - the trumpet)
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The article refers to political corruption caused by “criminals and goldbugs.”

A goldbug is an old term for a believer in hard money via the gold standard. How does this corrupt elections? Obvious prejudice or ignorance by the author!

One could better argue that the free silver movement, advocating inflationism, was much more demagogic, band therefore much more corrupting.


17 posted on 06/26/2012 4:54:46 AM PDT by docbnj
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The article refers to political corruption caused by “criminals and goldbugs.”

A goldbug is an old term for a believer in hard money via the gold standard. How does this corrupt elections? Obvious prejudice or ignorance by the author!

One could better argue that the free silver movement, advocating inflationism, was much more demagogic, band therefore much more corrupting.


18 posted on 06/26/2012 4:55:22 AM PDT by docbnj
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The author mentions the Australian (or secret) ballot, but does not mention that today in Australia people are fined for not voting.

This would not work in the US, because we would not collect the fines. It would not be worth it to track down all the no-shows.

Not voting is as much a freedom as voting. I have always voted, but not always for every race on the ballot. Sometimes not voting is an expression of opinion.

It is wrong to think of the election process as a sanctification of state activity. It is merely a possible check on state activity. There is no way that a few elections can make the people really in control of all the millions of decisions made by government. The only way to freedom is strict limitation of the state.

An electorate can ruin a country just as easily as can a bad monarch, or a dictatorship. It all depends on the character of the people.

This is why free elections in Egypt will not bring anything desirable: no freedom; no order; no justice; no prosperity. You cannot built on a corrupt foundation.

No moslem country successfully runs as a democracy. Not one.


19 posted on 06/26/2012 5:09:52 AM PDT by docbnj
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bump for later


20 posted on 06/26/2012 5:26:19 AM PDT by foreverfree
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I think voting is like singing; no one who feels they shouldn’t do it should be encouraged to do it. If you don’t have it in you to vote without prodding, you shouldn’t vote.


21 posted on 06/26/2012 5:31:00 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Legalize Freedom!!)
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"...the threat to send neighbors to shame them into voting..."

Shame has become an archaic concept.

22 posted on 06/26/2012 5:47:41 AM PDT by Jumpmaster (Defund the Left!)
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They appear to be a bit schitzophrenic on this.

They don’t like the Australian Secret Ballot. But they appear to have fallen in love with the Australian “voting is mandaroty” laws.

In Oz one has to provide proof that they voted in order to collect on any sort of government benefit. If they implement that here Democrats will win an unending series of landslide victories.

Of course Card Check and the Ballot Box would have similar effects.


23 posted on 06/26/2012 6:20:39 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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For the United States’ first century, Americans elected their leaders in full view of their neighbors, gathering on courthouse steps to announce their votes orally or hand a distinctive preprinted ballot or unfolded marked paper to a clerk. Such a public process made elections ripe for bribes and threats, although the scene around American polling places never matched Australia’s, where a population of criminals and goldbugs made electoral intimidation something of a democratic pastime.

The author correctly recounts history.

Then, having established that open ballots were rife with intimidation, violence, bribes, and other criminal acts, she suggests we would want to return to this time.

We need to start collecting names for the final days.

25 posted on 06/26/2012 6:37:27 AM PDT by Lazamataz (People who resort to Godwin's Law are just like Hitler.)
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mark


26 posted on 06/26/2012 6:51:15 AM PDT by EBH (Obama took away your American Dreams and replaced them with "Dreams from My (his) Father".)
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The Left has gone full circle on this one. It was the Progressives in the mid/late 19th century who pushed for the secret, aka Australian, ballot. Now this idiot wants to abolish the secret ballot as some sort of gimmick to increase voter turnout.


27 posted on 06/26/2012 6:54:23 AM PDT by C19fan
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leftist, not liberals

I agree with you. There should be some effort involved in voting. It is a big responsibility and those who are not willing to make some effort can not be expected to make an informed choice. I think we should have to re-register each election by going to our county seat or courthouse. I think absentee voting should be rare and a lot of hoops to get the ballot. I checked if my dad who passed away 3 years ago was off the ballot in Georgia. He wasn't, and the state site gave me a link to have an absentee ballot mailed for him!!!! I contacted them and had him removed.

We need to reverse the laws that prevent testing to be able to vote. They were put in for a good reason to stop blocking of black voters 50 years ago, but that isn't needed, now. The poll taxes were stupid and need to remain illegal, but to register, we ought to show that we know a few facts about each candidate in the presidential election; 1). what state is each of the primary two candidates from? 2). Who is their running mate? 2). How many states are their in the USA? 3). Are we a Republic or a Democracy? It doesn't have to be complex. A quick test with those questions would knock out 30 or 40 percent of the voting block, but would make the remaining votes more informed and valuable. JMHO

28 posted on 06/26/2012 7:00:47 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Liberty and Justice for ALL)
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