interesting... the female's name is nowhere to be found in ANY article related to this case.
Posted on 06/17/2012 12:25:17 PM PDT by QT3.14
A former chief petty officer who was acquitted of raping his boss but convicted of fraternizing with her has been denied clemency, according to his lawyer.
Last month, John Gonzales asked Rear Adm. Tim Alexander, commander of the Navy's Mid-Atlantic Region, for clemency on the fraternization conviction, saying his federal criminal record has prevented him from finding a civilian job.
(Excerpt) Read more at stripes.com ...
The officer is not dinged for fraternazation, but shaft the enlisted guy?
With such nervousness today over sexual harassment whether real or merely accused, and the possible repercussions of “affairs” in the office, plus the bad economy, it looks like he’s behind the eight ball for a conventional office job. That could have been foreseen so I’m playing no violins for his thinking with the wrong head. Still there are more ways to skin a cat. Creating your own business is possible for some. A job where everyone involved is male is another possibility.
Dunno if the officer herself got in dutch. Logically she ought to. But her story isn’t the subject here.
Perhaps that should read “the female is not dinged for fraternazation, but shaft the male?”
Fraternization isn’t typically a legal matter in the military. He was convicted of fraternization as a lesser charge during a court martial for rape. That’s not an insignificant detail.
The officer in question, not being accused of rape, had the charge dealt with the typical and customary manner, if at all. It doesn’t say.
Seems possible to me that given the man’s exoneration on rape, they might look more seriously afterward at her role in the fiasco. At least if the issue is dealt with intelligently, but they say that military intelligence is an oxymoron.
She didn’t fraternize, she sororized (badoom tish)
A 30-something senior enlisted should have more sense than a 20-something officer, every time!
"...the ensign who acknowledged fraternizing with Gonzales ...was not held accountable for her actions. She was given a non-punitive letter of caution and has since been promoted..."
interesting... the female's name is nowhere to be found in ANY article related to this case.
I could have guessed it... “we caution you about getting too close to these rapists.” It ought to have depended in part on the outcome of HIS trial.
An ensign? Not a fag but a flag? (badoom tish)
I can’t find any details anywhere, not even the officer’s name. Without knowing more, it’s hard to say more than I have. I just know that fraternization is typically handled administratively (hand over pay), and the officer being treated as such would be SOP. Which she was, having a letter of caution on her record.
It should also be noted that rank notwithstanding, senior personnel is always expected to handle themselves better than their juniors. An ensign will be treated administratively more like a seaman, and a chief more like a commander, even though an ensign outranks a CPO. Those who’ve never served would find that uniquely military nuance hard to grasp, as I don’t think there is a parallel anywhere in the civilian world.
Senior in the sense of being of older age or serving longer? I’m trying to get what’s supposed to be non intuitive here, other than the obviously P.C. slap on the wrist that she got.
As she was the senior rank, the abuse of power aspect should come from her, not from him.
Btw, I'm just assuming that with 16 years of service, he was an E7. It doesn't say what his original rank was, just that he was demoted to E5 so it's possible that he was an E6 and not a senior NCO.
SO much for Officers being held to a higher standard. Of course its always whats more convenient for the service at the time.
He, being a Chief and tarnishing the reputation of an organization that I am a member, should have known better.
Sorry, Chief. You screwed the pooch (no pun intended), now you gotta deal with it.
Good times on liberty and the prospects of an all nighter with the new butterbar?? He should have dismissed himself from that fun as soon as he knew where it might lead.
Her?? She is a woman in today's military. (Take from that what you want but please read every post on this thread first.) She was just more successfull at saving her ass than he was. Back in the day it was assured that something like this in your jacket would keep you from ever serving in a command role, but I am reminded almost daily, that I am from a different generation.
It would be interesting to know exactly when she claimed rape. Before or after the command found out.
A female ensign accused her subordinate, a decorated Chief Petty Officer named John Gonzales, of sexual assault. In a general court martial, the ensign told the jury she had no direct recollection of what happened in May 2010 after she, Gonzales and a group of sailors from the amphibious assault ship Bataan left a bar and went to Gonzales’ apartment.
Jurors took less than an hour to find Gonzales not guilty of aggravated sexual assault. Instead, they found him guilty of fraternization, a conviction that prevented him not only from re-enlisting in the navy but also from getting even a civilian job.
Gonzales' attorney said that the woman concocted the rape charge to cover up for her own admitted fraternization.
Promblems linking this source:
http://www.cotwa.info/2012/05/unfounded-sexual-assault-claim-leaves.html
No. Article 15's are Non-Judicial Punishment, punishment being the opposite of non-punitive. Article 15's for officers are as rare as green diamonds in today's Navy where it's promote or jettison. Officers are always offered the chance to resign before accepting NJP.
This is just a letter of caution, which falls below a letter of reprimand/admonition. It's like a memo from your boss to reduce your desk clutter.
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