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Good question.
1 posted on 06/12/2012 12:08:47 AM PDT by quesney
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Starve the beast for now, but what will their fiscal health be if oil revenues falter?


2 posted on 06/12/2012 12:17:58 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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There is power in the simplicity of this question:

“I would like to be able to know that my home, no matter what happens to my income or my life, is not going to be taken away from me because I can’t pay a tax.”


3 posted on 06/12/2012 12:21:26 AM PDT by AlmaKing
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I see the many RINOs that have infected ND are opposing the abolition.


5 posted on 06/12/2012 12:40:30 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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Of all taxes, property tax is the absolute worst. A family can never truly own their own home. Even after the mortgage is paid, you're partners with the government who will steal your house if you don't or can't pay.

I have a good friend who owns his home outright. It's a small mother/daughter split-level type in a CRAPPY neighborhood - Hempstead, NY.

Though it's paid off, he still gets to pay nearly $1,500 per month in property tax because the lefty govenmental theives in the Nassau County Hempstead irresponsibly piss his money away.

The home has been in his family for around 40 years.

Also, my daughter will never, EVER set even one single toe in a public school. Hence, why should I have pay for her education, then pay again for some stranger's kids to go to a school where they're likely not to learn very much - except how to hate everything I stand for?

6 posted on 06/12/2012 1:28:12 AM PDT by AAABEST (Et lux in tenebris lucet: et tenebrae eam non comprehenderunt)
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Very interesting post. I live in a town in CT. We are having a vote on the town budget today. Ironically we had reassessed our home property values for the first time in 5 years. Required by state law every 5 years. Not surprisingly most people’s lost about 1/8 of their property value. I lost 1/6 of my value. However since moving here 4 years ago, the property taxes has increased about 15 percent in a recession. Of course, each budget vote, there will be signs all over town saying “Vote (Yes) for edcuation”. Why should we vote yes each time, should we give the town a blank check? Now that the reassessment comes back, they of course want to increase the mill rate to ensure that the budget is not endangered. Its pretty frustrating. I guess this is typical townlike shanigans. The surrounding towns did similiar things.


12 posted on 06/12/2012 2:33:06 AM PDT by castlegreyskull
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I will go against the grain here and say this is a bad idea. It gives the state dull control over local government revenues. Government is best closest to the people. Theyd be better iff eliminating the sales tax or some other revenue to the state coffers.


20 posted on 06/12/2012 3:34:28 AM PDT by wolfman23601
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Property tax = the perpetual mortgage. There is no private property ownership.


21 posted on 06/12/2012 3:40:18 AM PDT by John Leland 1789
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Could we get some clarification here? Are they talking about school taxes here, or just general property axes. In most areas, school taxes are the preponderance of what is generally termed “Real Estate” or property taxes..( when I left the NY suburbs in 2007, school taxes were 72% of my total property tax bill. School districts are separate entities, often with DIFFERENT geographical boundaries than the underlying municipalities..they propose their own budgets and assessment rates.


30 posted on 06/12/2012 3:55:02 AM PDT by ken5050 (FRACK Obama!!!)
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This will define the political lines: a TRUE democrat never saw a tax that they wouldn’t like to raise and a TRUE republican never saw a tax that they liked.


35 posted on 06/12/2012 4:07:48 AM PDT by conservativesister
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Time to move...


42 posted on 06/12/2012 4:34:08 AM PDT by maddog55 (OBAMA: Why stupid people shouldn't vote.)
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I had a friend once that was having a mortgage burning party when he finally paid off his debt.

I asked him why he was so happy. His response was “now I finally own my house.”

I told him that the house belonged to his local government, not him. I told him that there were two owners of the house. One was the government and the other was the mortgage company. Now, the mortgage company was out of the picture.

He was puzzled and I went on to explain that the REAL owner of his property was the government and further went on to find out who the real owner was, simply don’t pay your property tax and you will soon see who really owns the property.

Property owners will never own their property. We lease it from the government and pay it a fee each year for the privilege of living there.

The worst thing about this is that responsible people buy a home as part of their planning for when they get older and their income decreases but they could plan on having a paid off house to live in for the rest of their days.

Well, THAT AIN’T HAPPENING! The house they bought 30-40 years ago for $25,000 is now appraised at $175,000 to 350,000 (depending on where you live) and the taxes alone are more than the original mortgage payment.

And now, the worst part of property taxes.......normally 75% is school taxes!


43 posted on 06/12/2012 4:52:17 AM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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YES! Public school MUST be paid for by those attending school, not everyone else.
46 posted on 06/12/2012 4:58:12 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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Many big-school superintendents make $1000-$1500 PER DAY! Check it out! It has GOT to stop.
48 posted on 06/12/2012 5:04:03 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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What's in question at this point is, in my opinion, can enough non-property owners (the majority of voters not only in North Dakota but across America) be convinced that they're not being cheated out of a share of the state's windfall. Can they be convinced to support the removal of the property taxes?
I'm a property owner in North Dakota so I am all for getting rid of the property tax but unlike Alaska, which has waived all state income taxes and sends every 'resident (Not just property owners)' a check every year this particular tax in North Dakota will only benefit property owners.
51 posted on 06/12/2012 6:04:44 AM PDT by Whats-wrong-with-the-truth (Romney (aka - obomney)... Just put the (D) behind your name and be done with it.)
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They argue that the tax is unpredictable, inconsistent, counter to the concept of property ownership.

Yes it's inconsistent with property ownership (except for paying for the road that leads to your property).

54 posted on 06/12/2012 6:41:52 AM PDT by FreeReign
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If the government can take your property away if you don’t pay taxes on it, is it really private property after all? I don’t believe it is. In fact, I know it isn’t.


55 posted on 06/12/2012 6:53:05 AM PDT by Crucial (Tolerance at the expense of equal treatment is the path to tyranny.)
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I would like to be able to know that my home, no matter what happens to my income or my life, is not going to be taken away from me because I can’t pay a tax

ABSOLUTELY. I own my home free and clear...wait no I don't, I have to pay taxes on it every year so I'm actually living with really cheap rent.

61 posted on 06/12/2012 7:52:37 AM PDT by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system.)
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"No tax should have the power to leave you homeless."

Nail. Head. The Fourth Amendment has no meaning otherwise.

83 posted on 06/12/2012 4:18:27 PM PDT by denydenydeny (Admiration of absolute government is proportionate to the contempt one has for others.-Tocqueville)
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3% Of the vote counted, 18% for the amendment, 82% against.


97 posted on 06/12/2012 6:21:29 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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