Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Pictures of defenders and assailants at the site. Justifed homicides up, crime down. For "Progressives", this is hard to understand.
1 posted on 06/10/2012 4:26:14 AM PDT by marktwain
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies ]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-30 next last
To: marktwain
vMinutes later, Orshoski lay dead on Robbins' porch. Robbins was never charged.

Orshoski, a "career criminal" according to the article open.

I'd call that a good kill, way to clean up the scumballs.

2 posted on 06/10/2012 4:28:10 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: marktwain

I live with my mother and sister and we are probably the last people in the state without a gun.

My mother will not allow one in the house,which is silly.

G-d-forbid we need one.


3 posted on 06/10/2012 4:28:43 AM PDT by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (It's hurricane season! Yay!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: marktwain

The same thing happened in Detroit except for the fact that shooter and “receiver” tend to be the same race.


6 posted on 06/10/2012 4:36:19 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: marktwain
"If Zimmerman didn't get out of his truck; if he didn't have a gun; it would have never happened," he said. "

If Trayvon had not ATTACKED Zimmerman, he would be alive today

7 posted on 06/10/2012 4:36:44 AM PDT by Mr. K (I AM WRITING-IN PALIN/GINGRICH)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: marktwain

And, when surveyed, the folks in Florida say leave the law as is...70% - 30%.


8 posted on 06/10/2012 4:37:36 AM PDT by Road Warrior ‘04 (I miss President Bush! 2012 - The End Of An Error! (Oathkeeper))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: marktwain

The left absolute HATE these laws. They want Americans to be a punch of cowering pansies like the Brits have been reduced to.

To them 100 dead or raped victims is preferable to 1 unjustified shooting in self-defense. It’s essentially the way they feel about the death penalty, but twisted around.

The only way to fight them and beat them on this issue is to make sure that EVERY good guy spends at least some time on the range holding and firing a gun. They make nice wedding gifts too.


9 posted on 06/10/2012 4:48:25 AM PDT by BobL
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: marktwain
"Since stand your ground has passed, Florida has become one of the most dangerous states in the country while the others got safer," [the Brady spokesbot] said. "There is a dangerous mentality that has led to unnecessary tragedies."

I don't see anything here about someone who wasn't engaged in a plausibly threatening assault getting killed as a result of SYG and the killer let off the hook on the same account. This is a vast insult to the memory of Mr. Brady, who was injured by shots fired at Ronald Reagan by a nut.

12 posted on 06/10/2012 5:11:07 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Let me ABOs run loose Lou!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: marktwain
There was absolutely no need for the law. Self defense and/or protecting your home is sufficient.

Zimmerman...that was the guy that got his head bashed....acted in self defense...PERIOD.

If Tray was a good boy, he would have been in school.

And Tray's own web site speaks volumes...along with the "practice street fighting" video.

13 posted on 06/10/2012 5:19:28 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: marktwain

“Leonard Murphy and Leavitis Golphin were not charged because they said they shot in self-defense and were concealed weapons permit holders, Chitwood said.

Golphin was having marijuana delivered to his Jean Street apartment so he could later sell it...”

Persons involved in illegal activties, in this case drug sales, should not be protected by SYG, or possess Concealed Carry permits.


14 posted on 06/10/2012 5:24:13 AM PDT by Tahoe3002
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: marktwain; All

From 1976-2005 per DOJ statistics, blacks were 12% of the population yet accounted for an astounding 52.2% of all homicides!

Now follow me here. We know that most black grandmothers and most balck 2 year old children are not out gangbanging, so who is? By and large, it is black males between the agest of 15 and 35. This group is apporximately 20% of the total black population. 12% times .2 = 2.4% of the population.

And since we also know that there are good black men in this group, as many go on to college and become entrepreneurs, we can knock 50% and perhaps more out of this group. But for the sake of our argument, let’s use 50%. So 50% of 2.4% is 1.2%.

Approximately 52.2% of all homicides are committed by 1.2% of the population.

This is a National Epidemic, yet where is the media on this? Heck, where is the CDC warning?

Black homicide, the elephant in the room


21 posted on 06/10/2012 5:37:33 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: marktwain

If they really want to stop violent deaths (both of citizens and perps) a universal Constitutional Right to Bear Arms needs to stop being hindered. Justified killings will go up for a while and criminals killing of citizens will decline. Eventually it will get so dangerous for the criminals that they will think before acting and the need to kill them will also go down.


24 posted on 06/10/2012 5:50:24 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: marktwain

I have mixed feelings regarding it. There are perps who can and will exploit the loopholes in any law — SYG being one of those.


26 posted on 06/10/2012 5:55:05 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: marktwain
“Stand Your Ground’ is taking the food out of the mouths of public defenders, prosecutors, judges, bailiffs, court recorders, jailers and all the other taxpayer leeches of the legal system. Not to mention journalists who have less crime to write about.
27 posted on 06/10/2012 5:58:43 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: marktwain

It will get better as we clean out the gene pool.


28 posted on 06/10/2012 6:06:37 AM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag (Anybody but Obama.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: marktwain

Dan Gross, president of the Washington, D.C.-based Brady Campaign, a pro-gun control advocacy group, said stand your ground created a mentality of fear and paranoia — a deadly combination for someone carrying a weapon.

“It was a recipe for disaster,” he said.


Liberal idiot! What he wants is the law-abiding to run away and cower from the “empowered criminals” who he represents stealthily.


31 posted on 06/10/2012 6:11:19 AM PDT by The Working Man
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: marktwain

Apparently, it was a much-needed law.


32 posted on 06/10/2012 6:16:07 AM PDT by rabidralph
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: marktwain

What a pant load.

About 7000 murders in Florida in the same time span mentioned in the article as the 228 “Stand your Ground” claims.

So, not even counting justifiable homicides, etc, only 3% of of the people killed were deemed to be killed in the name of “Stand your Ground”.

And yet the Left continues to protest not the murder of 7000 people but the 228 people who saved their own lives.


34 posted on 06/10/2012 6:18:26 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Congrats to Ted Kennedy! He's been sober for two years now!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: marktwain

There’s nothing in this article to suggest that any of the following have increased: shootings, killings, deaths, murders, crime.

It may be that under the new law, government officials are labeling the same old incidents as self defense.


35 posted on 06/10/2012 6:26:01 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Hold My Beer and Watch This!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: marktwain

Kind of a dumb article. Most of the examples it gives of SYG are no such thing. They constituted self-defense under the law before passage of SYG. Just like GZ’s case, in which his claim of self-defense has no relevance to SYG. His claim is either justified under the earlier law, or it’s not justified at all.

That said, I think SYG is somewhat prone to abuse if not carefully applied. In particular, when two guys get into a mutual fight and one of them succeeds in killing the other, it should not be consider justifiable homicide. This makes the justified nature of the act dependent solely on who is the more efficient killer.

IMO if the result of a given altercation would be ruled justifiable regardless of which party survives, there’s something inherently wrong either with the law or with its application. This would, for example, seem to allow dueling with the survivor claiming justifiable homicide. IMO in dueling and mutual fights of similar type both parties are guilty of attempted murder (although it’s difficult to prosecute the deceased) and the survivor is guilty of murder, though degree is open to debate depending on the particulars.

With all the talk about increased numbers of justifiable homicide rulings since SYG being passed, it would be interesting to have someone do research on the supposed 300 or so cases to see how many are really questionable, rather than the assumption commonly presented in the mEdia that 2/3 are.


38 posted on 06/10/2012 6:34:59 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: marktwain

People are doing the jobs cops can’t do. So long as the work is getting done, it’s a good thing.


39 posted on 06/10/2012 6:36:22 AM PDT by pallis
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-30 next last

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson