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Female soldiers sue to lift combat ban 'solely on the basis of sex'
U.S. News ^ | 5-24-12 | Thomson Reuters

Posted on 05/24/2012 6:25:57 AM PDT by RWB Patriot

WASHINGTON -- Two female soldiers filed suit on Wednesday to scrap the U.S. military's restrictions on women in combat, claiming the policy violated their constitutional rights.

Command Sergeant Major Jane Baldwin and Colonel Ellen Haring, both Army reservists, said policies barring them from assignments "solely on the basis of sex" violated their right to equal protectio under the Fifth Amendment of the Constitution.

"This limitation on plaintiffs' careers restricts their current and future earnings, their potential for promotion and advancement, and their future retirement benefits," the women said in the suit filed in U.S. District Court.

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Hmm, in a perfect world where minorities didn't want to have their cake and eat it to (ie, you can't do this to me because I'm a minority, but you have to do this to me because I'm a minority) and politicians had brains, I might be for this.

But with the way the world works today, this strikes me as another case of sacrificing our military for politics.

1 posted on 05/24/2012 6:26:09 AM PDT by RWB Patriot
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To: RWB Patriot

So now crucial national defense issues are going to be decided by the black robed crowd.

Our Founding Fathers must be so P.O.-ed right now.


2 posted on 05/24/2012 6:27:53 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: RWB Patriot
“...sacrificing our military for politics”

In a worst case scenario: A man could BODILY transport his comrade out of danger.... could SHE?

What soldier worth the name doesn't see the life-and-death implications, lunacy and basic inequity of this?

3 posted on 05/24/2012 6:31:44 AM PDT by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: RWB Patriot
My-y-y sister don't wanna get drafted
She don't wanna go
My sister don't wanna get drafted
My-y-y sister don't wanna get drafted
She don't wanna go
My sister don't wanna get drafted
No-oh-woh-oh-woh...

Wars are really ugly
They're dirty and they're cold
I don't want nobody
To shoot her in the fox hole, fox hole

Frank Zappa

4 posted on 05/24/2012 6:32:11 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: RWB Patriot

Using the military for social engineering. Bad move America. Bad, bad move.


5 posted on 05/24/2012 6:33:23 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (It's too bad that America's "first black president" turned out to also be a communist.)
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To: RWB Patriot

I am vehemently opposed to putting someone into combat BECAUSE of their gender.


6 posted on 05/24/2012 6:34:05 AM PDT by rlmorel ("The safest road to Hell is the gradual one." Screwtape (C.S. Lewis))
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A CSM and a colonel -- both unlikely to be involved in actual combat should they be assigned to the zone.

I would give them their wishes and assign them to an outpost which experiences heavy casualties, and order them to PERSONALLY lead patrols.

7 posted on 05/24/2012 6:35:33 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (If I can't be persuasive, I at least hope to be fun.)
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To: RWB Patriot

The next step is to write a law that forces life insurance carriers to cover all citizens, everywhere, even the ones on the battlefield.

Wonder what that’ll do to ins rates !?


8 posted on 05/24/2012 6:41:26 AM PDT by George from New England
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To: RWB Patriot

Hmmm, future earnings?

Maybe somebody should tell the nice CSM that she is just about maxed out on military earnings. There ain’t no E-10 for the average CSM.


9 posted on 05/24/2012 6:42:07 AM PDT by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
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We can get away with this social engineering crap now, because the margin of capability between us and our current foes is so large that this factor is overpowered.

When we fight a foe who is closer to us in terms of overall capability, we are going to regret this, with blood.

And, I guarantee, when it happens, the ones who will scream the loudest and longest in protest, wondering how this could have happened, are going to be the very architects of the decline.


10 posted on 05/24/2012 6:42:13 AM PDT by rlmorel ("The safest road to Hell is the gradual one." Screwtape (C.S. Lewis))
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Fine they want to be in combat? Okay, you meet the EXACT SAME physical criteria as the male soldiers. Same march requirement, pack weight requirement, same number of pushups pullups etc. If you can’t do the job, tough sh#t.


11 posted on 05/24/2012 6:43:22 AM PDT by Kozak (The means of defence against foreign danger, have been always the instruments of tyranny at home JM)
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OK but no Tampax and no porta-potties.


12 posted on 05/24/2012 6:49:49 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: RWB Patriot

They must be stupid. If they win, kit up, send them to Afghanistan. Let them climb mountain trails for weeks at a time, then get a limb blown off. What fun.

What do they think they are missing? Blood? Death? Mental health issues? Loss of limbs? Exhaustion? Fear? What? What the he’ll do they think they are missing out on?


13 posted on 05/24/2012 6:58:37 AM PDT by DariusBane (People are like sheep and have two speeds: grazing and stampede)
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To: Kozak

There exists an entire generation of women (and men) who have gleaned their understanding of the relative physical and combat capabilities of men and women from watching Hollywood portrayals of hand to hand combat between the sexes. In CSI, GI Jane and innumerable other productions, small, petite women engage larger, more muscular men, and decisively defeat them on a consistent basis.

It can happen. There are women who can and will defeat larger, more powerful men. But the averages stipulate that in reality, that simply will not happen consistently.

Real hand to hand combat involves actual muscle, and when two humans both want to live as much as their opponent, it becomes not a battle of will, but a physical battle.

And critical engagements in full combat often descend into important clusters of physical battle. Whoever wins most of those can win the engagement, the battle and eventually, the war.


14 posted on 05/24/2012 7:00:21 AM PDT by rlmorel ("The safest road to Hell is the gradual one." Screwtape (C.S. Lewis))
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The CSM & Colonel are old enough to have a daughter in the service, or thinking about joining. I’ve seen the most ardent sexist, male officers suddenly become all equal-opportunity when their daughter/only child expresses an interest in the family business.


15 posted on 05/24/2012 7:09:48 AM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: RWB Patriot

I see the enemies of a strong US Military are hard a work once again. I thought maybe they would take a break after winning the right of open homosexuals to serve openly in our forces. (That should do wonders for recruiting and retention). But no, now it is on to putting women into combat. A horrible idea on it’s merits, but even worse is that once women are not prohibited from combat there is no sound legal reason to exempt women from a military draft. So what happens when the nation needs to draft but not only young man but young woman are to be drafted too? Anyone?


16 posted on 05/24/2012 7:11:13 AM PDT by jpsb
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Using the military for social engineering. Bad move America. Bad, bad move.

Been going on for decades now - just accelerated in the mid-'80s and has sped up faster than the economy has slowed down.

Can picture such female soldiers filling out a questionaire and when they get to:
SEX : M/F ___
thinking before answering:
"F - I haven't had to M in years"

17 posted on 05/24/2012 7:12:23 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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“Fine they want to be in combat? Okay, you meet the EXACT SAME physical criteria as the male soldiers. Same march requirement, pack weight requirement, same number of pushups pullups etc. If you can’t do the job, tough sh#t.”

Exactly my thoughts. Also add carrying a wounded 200+ lb man to the list.

If they can meet all the same criteria, Why Not?

Also, women capable of meeting these requirements are rare and unlikely to be a distraction for male troops. It might actually be the other way around...

18 posted on 05/24/2012 7:12:40 AM PDT by varyouga
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To: RWB Patriot

How this started in the first place is disgusting. To think that women have any place anywhere near combat is stupid.

1) It puts an extra burden on her male counterparts to look over his shoulder at his little female soldier as to where she is and how she is. Instead of looking straight at the enemy, now he has to watch out for her welfare. They don’t talk too much about the female captain who sat in her jeep and cried during the Granada invasion., do they?

2) Nothing like a female POW for the enemy (and our enemies are now savages) to rape, molest, and torture. Ala Jessica Lynch. Don’t hear too much about her anymore since the feminazies couldn’t get past her treatment by the savages.

3) For every place in the unit held by a female, some man (usually bigger and stronger) gets replaced.

4) And I could go on and on


19 posted on 05/24/2012 7:17:06 AM PDT by laweeks
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To: Don Corleone

I’d rather use a hole in the ground than a porta-potty.


20 posted on 05/24/2012 7:18:37 AM PDT by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (I love you so much,Pumpkin. You're the best cat in the world.)
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