Posted on 05/19/2012 9:35:37 AM PDT by Elderberry
OBAMA-ARIZONA BALLOT
Hawaii to Ariz.: Prove need to verify Obama birth
PHOENIX (AP) - The attorney general's office in Hawaii is telling Arizona's secretary of state that if he wants confirmation of President Barack Obama's birth records, he'll have to prove he legitimately needs it.
Special Assistant Joshua Wisch said late Friday that Arizona Secretary of State Ken Bennett hasn't done that despite numerous email and phone exchanges between their offices.
Wisch says Hawaii state laws require Bennett to show legal authority that this office needs the records to update its official lists as part of its ordinary work.
Wisch says as soon as Bennett gives Hawaii adequate authority, the Aloha State will verify Obama's birth.
Bennett said in a radio interview this week that Obama's status on Arizona's ballot is in question unless Hawaii verifies his birthplace.
Hawaii officials have confirmed multiple times that Obama was born there.
Obama already voted for a law in 2005 that establishes a formal protocol by which states verifying the birth records to other states. This is what Arizona is asking for and what Hawaii is refusing to provide. Their lack of cooperation is very telling.
Plus the recently discovered claim by Obama himself to be born in Kenya. New information changes everything. Hawaii is refusing to comply with a federal protocol that Obama himself voted for. They don’t have a legal leg to stand on.
Twentieth Amendment, Section 3 already does this. In this instance, Congress simply ignored their duty to uphold the Constitution.
If Obama didn’t formally submit the LFBC to election officials in AZ, it changes nothing. Obama’s legal team knows what they’re doing. I’ve seen them in action.
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Happy face: Does the new stamp also have the happy face that we see on the Onaka stamp that is on Obama's long form birth certificate?
No idea how you can stay sane wading through all this...........
You’re most likely correct about the “do-it-yourself” COLB being the thing that is actually on file. Especially considering that, apparently, Gramma called in the birth to both Honolulu papers at the time. Hawaii specifically allows parents/grandparents to self-file because so many babies are born on boats, in the air, and on the countrysides of the islands.
At some point the COLB was probably modified by a parent, also permitted, To show a name change. I believe Obamuzzie could not have gone to school in Indonesia unless he was adopted by Sotero. And his birth document would have had to be updated later or he would never have gotten back into Hawaii or gotten a passport..When such a change is made the old info is lined out, not obliterated, initialed by the changer person, with the new info penciled in adjacent.
I believe that COLB reflects his Indonesian name, which would be his legal name unless he has some proof he changed back. Part of the AZ demand has to be that Obamuzzie verify his legal name. I’m gonna go out on a limb and say that if if he’s holding office under an assumed name nothing he’s signed is any good legally, not binding on anybody, and is probly out-and-out fraud.
My own son was born in HI not long after whoever Obamuzzie is, was and so I am really familiar with what proper birth record docs are supposed to be. We have them all. There was a typo on my son’s original which we noticed as soon as we got the first copy so we did the procedure to get it corrected. There is no convenient way to request a copy of the original form , the one that would be signed by a doctor and hospital person.——no check box on the doc req form. To get such a thing one must request it specifically in writing and the copy will always be a photostat (negative)(another reason Obamuzzie’s is not legit). It’s possible to request the copy and have it sent directly to an interested person like a security agency but that can only be done by the person, the parent, or the court. If the Hawaiians do anything else they’re breaking their own law.
Interestingly, there is no way a HI govt person is going to make an un-authorized change to Obamuzzies original——on the off-chance that there is already a copy out there somewhere——that could be a career-ender. It has always sounded to me that Obamuzzie has no actual idea how to get a true copy of his original——he just gets the “certification of live birth” which is the re-typed short form. In any case no amount of “statement “ from the Hawaiians means anything-——just a copy of the original document is all that matters and all they can do as a matter of evidence.
You ought to see local news about their antics. Essentially, it is a rigged game.
They hold such an overwhelming majority that there is no oversight or stopping them. An ex-governor declared the Republican party was irrelevant in Hawaii. They truly do not care what the other side thinks.
There was an attempt to pass a law forcing them to stop having secret sessions for creation of bills and such. Being the majority, it died quickly.
I don't recommend books, but this one is a MUST read.
It explains where we are and why and what's coming next, I kid thee not.
I'm still a bit stunned. It showed me the confirmation I've been looking for.
It’s clear that the HDOH is fully involved in the theft of Virginia’s BC#. Not only has the birth index been altered, but the database was altered so that Virginia’s record had a different name attached to it - so that when the database was queried for me, Virginia didn’t show up.
So the HDOH is fully engaged in this criminal identity theft. Somebody who can change the info in the database.
For your scenario they would have had to create a brand new record out of thin air and claimed it existed in 1961. That’s sort of what they do for adopted children, except that they still use the same BC# as a BC that DID actually exist. They can have two names show up under the same BC#, but only one of them is supposed to be legally valid at a time.
We have nothing that specifically dates any HI records for Obama back to 1961. Leo Donofrio had requested records in existence before Aug 11, 1961 that had caused the HDOH to claim on Obama’s posted COLB that the “date filed” was Aug 11, 1961. He originally got a response that no records existed. But he felt there was some wiggle room on that and when he pressed for an absolutely solid response they changed to say they denied him access. Which would normally mean they confirmed the existence of the documents. But they also used language that could be an attempt at giving a Glomarized response (not indicating whether or not the records existed). So we really don’t know for sure what they were saying. Unless they were giving a Glomar response, they confirmed that there were records for Obama which pre-dated Aug 11, 1961.
If that was a hospital-generated BC it would have been completed and there would be no need for the BC# mess. So it was clearly not a hospital-generated BC. If there was anything by Aug 11, 1961 it would have had to be something filed with the local registrar claiming a home birth.
Based on the tampering that was done on the birth announcements microfilms, I strongly doubt whether there was any birth announcement in the paper - which actually says nothing about whether the HDOH had anything for him, since Virginia Sunahara is known to have had a birth record at the HDOH and yet her birth announcement never appeared in the newspapers. Based on the numbers for the Aug 1961 Oahu births that are in the 1961 CDC Natality Report, there were a number of births that were not announced in the papers. So it is questionable whether those announcements actually came from the HDOH, IMHO.
Because of the BC# problem it seems clear that Obama didn’t have anything completed by the end of 1961. If the records that pre-dated Aug 11, 1961 were a registration of birth with the local registrar, it was left incomplete.
I’m sorry. I’m rambling. I suspect that Obama was born in Kenya and flew back via Canada. Madelyn Dunham tried to report the birth to the local registrar but didn’t realize they’d need to have a birthweight and the signature of a doctor who had examined mother and baby - which was not possible because mother and baby were in Seattle, never having returned to HI. She probably thought the BC was taken care of.
Obama requested his COLB sometime in 2006 when he was considering a run for the presidency and was told he didn’t have one, because it wasn’t complete. He got his commie doctor to sign an affidavit giving his birthweight, which was from the medical records which included the Kenyan BC that Obama had been using up to that time. That was the amendment he made in late 2006.
Then in 2007 he requested a COLB, thinking he would use it in case anybody put attention on him when McCain’s eligibility was becoming an issue. But he found that it had “ALTERED” on it, a BC# for 2006 (with an L in front of it, for “late”), and a note saying that a doctor’s affidavit of birthweight had been added in 2006. That wasn’t going to work, which is why he had to forge a COLB instead. Either he had the help of somebody at the HDOH to get Sunahara’s BC#, or he could have found the BC# himself after requesting a non-certified COLB for Virginia Sunahara based on Virginia’s birth announcement (which he found in the newspaper in the place which he later replaced with his own name, right above the birth announcement for Norman Asing’s son).
The point at which the HDOH would have HAD to be involved with altering actual records (rather than just covering for Obama’s forgery) is when they first claimed that Obama was in their birth index, which was after the election. The announcement they gave before the election was just that they had his birth certificate. They never claimed it was legally valid. To this day they’ve never claimed that their records for him are legally valid. The most they’ve claimed is that he is in their birth index, and to get him there they had to alter it to include legally non-valid records.
My mind is soggy; I hope this makes sense. We’ve been hit with a lot of loss today.
Do you have a link about that? I’m uninformed on that and it sounds like a good thing to know about.
I believe that Hawaii just flushed its state sovereignty down the toilet.
Presenting a forgery in a press conference from the White House is fraud. That fraud is a criminal act against the voters of Arizona, and is the subject of a criminal investigation right now.
That does change things, because if the POTUS lied in front of full cameras at the White House on this very issue, it calls into question whether he perjured himself based upon that same fraudulent document that he presented from the White House.
No. It just has the TXE.
“Onaka’s office is now stamping physical documents with a stamp having the TXE rather than THE, to try to support the online forgery.”
Wow. I didn’t know that.
I guess we can expect the Selective Service to now start stamping dates with only two digit year stamps instead of four to cover for Obama’s fraud.
He won every single election prior to POTUS by using Chicago Cook County thug politics -- he got all of his opponents disqualified and thrown off the ballot. It would be delicious just deserts to get him thrown off the ballot in one state which just might trigger other states to do the same.
I just thought through what you said and what I said, and it appears that I’m saying that scenario is not only plausible but it’s actually my theory. lol
Long day.
Reports of my sanity are highly exaggerated. lol
If I’m doing anything right at all, it’s all the Lord’s doing.
“Does it give him the authority to decide who to put on the ballot?”
Not exactly. The following is why Gov Brewer supposedly vetoed the bill requiring a birth certificate (although it didn’t really):
“I vetoed HB2177 yesterday and I would like to take a moment to explain why I made that decision.
The bill would have granted sole power to the secretary of state, a county recorder or a city clerk to arbitrarily remove any candidate from the ballot in any federal, state or local election. As a former secretary of state, I do not support designating one person, at their own discretion, as the gatekeeper to determine who can and cannot appear on the ballot, which could lead to arbitrary or politically-motivated decisions in future elections.
Also, the bill would require candidates for President - regardless of gender - to submit various records, including baptismal or circumcision records. I hope that it’s obvious why these type of requirements could be problematic.”
The ARS says, if I have the correct one:
“D. All persons desiring to become a candidate shall file with the nomination paper provided for in subsection A an affidavit which shall be printed in a form prescribed by the secretary of state. The affidavit shall include facts sufficient to show that, other than the residency requirement provided in subsection A, the candidate will be qualified at the time of election to hold the office the person seeks.”
http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/ars/16/00311.htm&Title=16&DocType=ARS
So as I read it, the party or candidate vets themselves, and presents an affidavit with information like birth date & location, etc. I don’t see any sign that primary documents, such as a birth certificate, are required.
I strongly believe they SHOULD be required, but the law doesn’t say that now. It amazes me that I need to show more documentation to get a driver’s license than a candidate for President has to show to get on the ballot...
Is that your natural son, or an adopted son? When you say not long after, are you talking same month, same year, within a couple years...?
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