Posted on 05/19/2012 7:15:24 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
MIAMI, FLORIDA Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney scheduled a $50,000-a-plate fundraiser at the home of Phil Frost, the executive of the company that makes the Morning After Pill, on Wednesday night. Plan B One-Step is produced by Teva Pharmaceuticals, Frosts company.
The problems facing this country go beyond the economic ones; I'm sure we would both agree on that.
But most FREEPERs I've had discussions with severely downplay the...
...moral crises,
...the moral decline,
...the moral spiral,
...the sin-that-makes-any-country-ripe-for-divine-judgment (or at least the withholding of blessings and the removal of divine protections)
...etc.
...in favor of elevating the wallet, the bank account, the paycheck, etc.
Therefore, first of all, abortions -- plural -- (like STDs, like promiscuity, like porn, like etc.) are simply symptoms of severely deeper root problems...a country largely out of relationship with God and with Jesus Christ and moving further away...
I say that to those who think I'm elevating any one group of people out of proportion.
But secondly, and more importantly, your very language reveals that your attitude is more of a part of the problem than any solution in this area.
What do I mean?
Please note how you defined the pre-born: To you they are not your personal neighbors -- the most vulnerable in need of the highest levels of protection.
No, to you, they are an impersonal, abstract singular "issue."
In that sense, actually, I favor a move for us conservatives to move away from the singular word "abortion." It neither defines the mass plurality victimized in this holocaust; nor recognizes that the threat starts over for each pre-born the moment our God creates them.
You join enemies of the pre-born when you join them in reducing them to "single-issue" status.
Instead, may I suggest you treat them as your neighbors?
May I suggest you recognize that Jesus was once in those very stages of development we reduce to an "issue"?
May I suggest we call "abortion" for what it is -- and what the Bible calls it -- (unabated) infanticide?
Big John, right now Romney has the polls vote...and with the economics being what they are, that could stay the same into the Fall.
But what if the MSM and Democratic vetting of Romney is "successful" from their eyes? (They won't even need to make up things on Romney and on Mormonism; their problem is getting the word out...half of the people surprisingly still don't know that Romney's a Mormon and 90% of voters don't know what's most problematic about Mormonism from a POTUS perspective).
So the real question will be -- as of late-October polling data -- who is the person tossing their vote "to the wind?"
If Romney, poll-wise, looks like a loser...then I would maintain that people voting for a second-place also-ran has absolutely NO LESS of an outcome than a third-place also-ran casted vote!
You see...
...the MSM will ensure that the most saturated candidate "vet" in history will occur this Summer and into the Fall...
...(including all about Mormonism's racism, Mormonism's necro-dunking, how Romney was spirit-born on another planet (Kolob) -- technically making him an "alien," how Romney as a temple Mormon is a "god-in-embryo" on his way to full grown-up "godhood" of his own planet, and how his voters are endorsing/elevating idolatry by ramping up a competitor to THE god, etc)...
IOW...what if the Fall polls clearly show Romney below 40%...Obama above 40%...and more importantly, Romney badly losing in states once thought to be key vital "swing states"????
My Q THEN -- back to you would be: Why would any conservative vote for an obvious "cast vote to the wind" cause @ that point?
You've just told me not to "wind-waste" my vote on a runner-up.
So you would swallow your own advice then?
If the polls solidly indicate that Romney won't win -- as of late October -- that Q boomerangs back your way: Why wind-waste your vote on a runner-up? (It's not 'horseracing' ya know...where they pay out for the runner-up)
Other Reasons for certain FREEPERs to vote third-party and not Romney:
No matter how many FREEPERS & how many conservatives vote for Romney in CA, Obama is still going to carry that state! That's a fact!
That state is just too liberal. Orange Co., San Diego Co., the Central Valley (home of JimRob) ain't enough to overcome LA, the Bay Area, liberal NorCal, etc.
A Freeper's vote on the Left Coast (CA, WA, OR) really "won't count" in any of those states! And you can say the same thing for states like NY, NJ, IL, and some of those 16 states that aren't as bad off economically.
See, that's what gets me. We have so many FREEPERs-turned-relativists via this utilitarian political pragmatic ethic of beating Obama. Yet when I turn that same utilitarian political pragmatic ethic back on FR voters who live in liberal states, all of a sudden that ethic doesn't apply. Why?
There is ZERO reason to vote for Romney in a liberal state! Obama will pragmatically win in those states, anyway; ya might as well both...
...save searing of your conscience & setting a precedent of voting for a liberal POTUS...
...+ send a message to the GoP-establishment.
The October polls will also disclose which states Romney would have easily "locked up." Once those states are established, FREEPERs can also be "released" to vote for neither Obama or Romney. Why? Because if we added up ALL of the FREEPERs in those states...and if they 100% voted third-party, guess what? Romney will readily win those states, anyway. [There wouldn't be enough FREEPERs in those states to undercut Romney]
Do you see how this enlarged utilitarian political pragmatic ethic cuts both ways?
The only true FREEPERs who have a "voting dilemma" before them are the true "swing" state voters...and even those states are not simply the ones the MSM has designated now -- but those states that will be "too close to call" polling-wise come late Oct/early Nov.
Every other FREEPER -- per the same utilitarian political pragmatic ethic preached @ us third-party people - has ZERO excuse for voting for a pro-abort, big-govt, socialistic healthcare pioneer.
“At least hes not a Commy.” tee shirt...
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Thanks! I don’t know how to post a pic. I like
the Obmney tee-shirts.
BTTT
Oh?
The masses have shifted THAT far to the left?
In INDIANA, we are working VERY hard to make ABORTION illegal!
We have an EXCELLANT case before the courts that involves a women, killing her 'fetus' by drinking rat poison.
If we can nail her; then the whole INDUSTRY is going down!!
http://www.indystar.com/article/20120519/NEWS02/205190331/Bond-OK-d-woman-rat-poison-case?odyssey=tab%7Ctopnews%7Ctext%7CNews
My toater has as much a chance of winning. I understand wanting to vote for a "sinless" man, but such hasn't esxisted for over 2,000 years. Per the Bible, it seems that blaspheme of the Holy Spirit is the one unforgivable sin - the rest look exactly the same in the eyes of the Lord - a sin is a sin is a sin and the penaly for all sins is death. Lacking a sinless man to vote for, I'm more apt to vote for one who might knock Obama out and I cannot discount Obama's "Give me some space until my next elextion is over..." speech. Accident? Or was God letting us know something else? I can't answer that and neither can you. Do what's in your heart and I'll do what's in mine. If it has to be the lesser of two evils, so be it.
I suppose that, Biblically speaking, your plan to allow Obama another term might speed up the inevitable fall into chaos that will occur before He comes back. But I'm also not going to purposely try to move God's Hand - some nutjob in Iran is already trying to do that. Good day/God Bless.
I think you forgot the sarcasm tag.
So, I guess you see them more like WND when they are going after your RINO?
The great zotfest of 2012 continues!
There's got to be some more of them psuedo freepers here somewhere.
Let's see if we can find any more of them not willing to let the country come down in shambles around their ears.
Meanwhile, all of us left, please donate more to the freepathon, as we are somewhat thinned out.
Jim is just being hospitable by complying with his guests’ requests to have their accounts closed.
How can he politely refuse?
But don’t worry! They’ll be back with shiny new handles before you know it.
I’m laying low. Afraid if I say the wrong thing I will get the zot. Hopefully things change here after the election. I’m doing my part by exposing o bama elsewhere.
I am convinced that what is going on is just par for the course for any Presidential campaign, especially when really none of the candidates stood out....very hard to come to agreement on anything....under normal circumstances, I can understand the desire to teach the GOP-E a lesson, but this is not a normal circumstance....Obama, and the people working for him, are much worse than anything we’ve seen before.....Clinton looks a hundred times better than Obama. So if this was 1996, teaching them a lesson for foisting Dole on us, made more sense. But I’m afraid this is much different.
I have no problem with people voting their conscience, it’s their vote. The candidate wins or loses based on their own merits. It’s up to them to close the sale.
Two murderers. Some choice. Though we sided with Stalin in WWII.
“In God We Trust”, eh?
Actually, when they are going after Harry Potter.
>>Afraid if I say the wrong thing I will get the zot. <<
Me too.
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