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What Zimmerman, Martin medical reports tell us and the media didn't
Fox News ^ | May 16, 2012 | John Lott

Posted on 05/16/2012 2:07:07 PM PDT by Bobbys1963

The new medical reports on the George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin case tell us a lot. And it is not just for what they find, but also what they don’t find.

First, the reports provide striking evidence that Zimmerman did not start the fight with Martin, and that Zimmerman shot Martin in self-defense. Martin’s injuries were two-fold: broken skin on his knuckles and the fatal gunshot wound.

Zimmerman’s injuries involved: a fractured nose, a pair of black eyes, two lacerations to the back of his head and a minor back injury.

It takes considerable force to break the skin on multiple knuckles. The large range of injuries on Zimmerman indicates that the Martin’s attack was prolonged. But here is what is missing: where are the injuries to Zimmerman’s hands? Where are the bruises on Martin’s face or other parts of his body? . . .

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: banglist; blackkk; defensivegunuse; florida; georgezimmerman; guncontrol; johnlott; lott; mediabias; obama; standyourground; trayvon; trayvonmartin; zimmerman
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1 posted on 05/16/2012 2:07:10 PM PDT by Bobbys1963
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To: Bobbys1963
Al Sharpton is seen again as a liar and Racist.

Oh wait wasn't Trayvon BHO's son.


2 posted on 05/16/2012 2:10:57 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Bobbys1963

“Unexpected”? Not!


3 posted on 05/16/2012 2:11:06 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Bobbys1963
Can any lawyers out there either confirm or refute my strong suspicion that we're seeing the rapid unraveling of the State's case and that it's likely that we'll see the charges dropped....sooner rather than later?
4 posted on 05/16/2012 2:13:59 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Julia: another casualty of the "War on Poverty")
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To: Bobbys1963

But it can’t be true, Martin only wanted to get his skittles home to his sick mama then was going to head for church as he is a choir boy.


5 posted on 05/16/2012 2:14:45 PM PDT by bikerman (you can take the man out of the jungle but can't take the jungle out of the man)
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To: Bobbys1963

He’s got a broken face.


6 posted on 05/16/2012 2:16:06 PM PDT by allmost
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But if Zimmerman is to have justifiably used self-defense, he can’t have provoked Martin’s attack.

Any lawyers out there who want to clarify that. What words would Zimmerman have had to utter to constitute a provocation?

What are you doing here? You don't belong here. I don't like your hoodie. I don't like Black people. The "N" word. I'm going to shoot you.

Are there any words that would justify a retaliation with a physical assault?

7 posted on 05/16/2012 2:16:39 PM PDT by TruthShallSetYouFree (Don't let Julia fool ya. Socialism doesn't work.)
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To: Bobbys1963

The contemptible prosecutor should be on the business end of “hate crime” charges.


8 posted on 05/16/2012 2:18:36 PM PDT by Dysart (2012: Year of the queer)
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To: Bobbys1963

Not that the DA will care. Even if it’s established to everyone’s satisfaction that Martin started the fight and ZImmerman was losing—and that will never happen—they’ll still contend that Zimmerman *really* started it. They’ll say Martin wasn’t doing anything wrong, that Zimmerman precipitated violent conflict by “profiling” him for being black and wearing a hoodie, by “following” and “confronting” him (which are apparently now crimes in themselves, even though Zimmerman’s not charged with them), and by being motivated by a depraved mindset whereby, I don’t know, he thinks all potential robbers (especially black ones) should be murdered.


9 posted on 05/16/2012 2:18:42 PM PDT by Tublecane
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Well, yeah, but don’t the medical reports also mention the essential facts: that Martin was Black, and Zimmerman White?

/s


10 posted on 05/16/2012 2:19:41 PM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: Bobbys1963

Trayvon was a punk. He should not have jumped Zimmerman since Zimmerman was not threatened him. Typical punk. Did Trayvon get what he deserved? Zimmerman had no choice. This pony show by Florida is a pure example that maybe the time has come to dump a lot of heads.


11 posted on 05/16/2012 2:19:50 PM PDT by Logical me
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To: Bobbys1963
Let's see.. Someone was beating me up; They got lacerations to their head, two black eyes, a broken nose and a back injury, and all I got was bruised knuckles!

Welcome to Obama's 'reverse parallel universe'.

12 posted on 05/16/2012 2:20:06 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: Gay State Conservative
Can any lawyers out there either confirm or refute my strong suspicion that we're seeing the rapid unraveling of the State's case and that it's likely that we'll see the charges dropped....sooner rather than later?

I believe this is why Obama has the FBI looking in to filing "hate crime" charges. He has a lot invested in this case politically.

13 posted on 05/16/2012 2:21:26 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: Bobbys1963

I still ask how Zimmerman got from his car where he was perfectly safe, to the street where he got beat up and Martin got shot? Zimmerman was told not to follow Martin by the dispatcher when he called the police, and he was in his car then.


14 posted on 05/16/2012 2:22:37 PM PDT by Hattie
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To: Tublecane

A visit to DU confirms your theory.


15 posted on 05/16/2012 2:23:46 PM PDT by kallisti (is this all there is?)
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To: Gay State Conservative

If I recall correctly, when Zimmerman’s attorney was questioning the prosecutor’s office detective during the bond hearing, did he not ask him if he had seen the medical files. I believe he responded no. I think the attorney then asked if he would like to see them but said the prosecution has an avenue to obtain them.

Having the records shown on the state’s evidence list indicates to me this is a lame attempt to provide esculpatory evidence now rather than in the complaint in which it belonged. If that is true and if it is also correct they had the medical file at the time of charging, they could be in deep legal do do with the judge. This case could get tossed long before trial on a prosecutorial error which would be great.

Bring popcorn when the preliminary hearing begins. If the state has nothing more than is indicated by the witness list, they have no chargable case.


16 posted on 05/16/2012 2:24:03 PM PDT by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: Hattie

He was told NO SUCH THING. The dispatcher said we don’t need you to do that, quite different then saying don’t do that.


17 posted on 05/16/2012 2:25:07 PM PDT by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: Hattie

“we don’t NEED you to do that” is not a lawful order from a police officer.


18 posted on 05/16/2012 2:26:04 PM PDT by omega4179 ( el 0bama comió un perro)
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To: Bobbys1963

And another thing- Zim’s atty needs to start building a case. Arguably, some violated his civil rights in the pursuit of a favorable political outcome, which she spearheaded. And in the process we might be surprised (or not) how far up the chain the pressure flowed.


19 posted on 05/16/2012 2:27:25 PM PDT by Dysart (2012: Year of the queer)
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To: TruthShallSetYouFree

“Are there any words that would justify a retaliation with a physical assault?”

Yes. They are called “fighting words.” I don’t know if “nigger” alone would count, but “I’m going to shoot you” definitely would. Certainly in that situation.

The thing is, there’s no evidence of that on the 9-11 tape, nor did the neighbor who witnessed the fight hear it, nor Martin’s girlfriend, so far as I can tell. The fight started somehow, and it could have been Zimmerman’s fault. Not just fighting words, but sudden movements and brandishing his weapon would count. But the burden of proof is on the prosecution. They have to present evidence that Zimmerman instigated the violence, and so far all they have is that he followed Martin and “confronted” him, which could mean anything.

They have what they thinkis evidence of a depraved mindset in his obsession with stopping crime and in possibly profiling Martin. Such is necessary for 2nd degree murder, but not sufficient. You can kill someone in self-defense with a depraved mindset, when they threatened your life. A rabid racist can kill a black man who attacked him out of the blue, even if he also took great racist pleasure in it. You have to have started the fight to lose the right of self-defense. And to be convicted for having started it, the state needs evidence to prove you did.


20 posted on 05/16/2012 2:27:44 PM PDT by Tublecane
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