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Frank discussion re our loss to Obama/Romney and the future direction of FR and tea party movement
Click here to pledge your support! ^ | May 4, 2012 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 05/04/2012 6:31:27 AM PDT by Jim Robinson

My FRiends, we might as well face the reality that we the combined pro-life conservative movement and tea party coalition have lost this round (the presidential election) in the larger battle to reclaim our constitution and our inalienable rights. Rove, Romney and the GOP-e have successfully destroyed and driven off each and every pro-life conservative tea party candidate from the race and all have surrendered to the Romney camp. It is no secret that Romney is not one of us. There is absolutely no doubt that he has never accomplished a single conservative thing in his entire political career (one term as liberal governor of liberal Massachusetts and six years campaigning for president). In Massachusetts, he undeniably championed abortion, gay rights, global warming, gun control, big government statist mandated/socialized health care programs, liberal judges, TARP, bailouts, stimulus spending, debt limit increases, etc, and even though he's recently claimed a complete reversal in political beliefs and no longer despises pro-life conservatives or the time of Reagan-Bush, I still don't trust him. He still stubbornly holds on to some of his statist beliefs, like global warming, gays in the military, RomneyCare, stimulus spending, etc, so there is no way I can vote for him or join Cain, Perry, Bachmann, Newt or any others who are endorsing him. But I will not act on my prior promises that I would actively campaign against him if he wins the nomination. Our combined movement is already torn and splintered and is going to have to be mended if we're going to have any impact whatsoever against the liberal/progressives and statists after the election. To that end I propose a TRUCE among our conservative forces during the remainder of this election cycle.

We conservatives have already lost the presidency to either the Dems or the GOP-e, and if we tear the tea party apart, if we tear the pro-life movement apart, if we tear FR apart then we lose it all. It's far more important that we re-unite and live to fight another day. Even if we can't vote for a true conservative for the presidency, it's doubly important that we all turn out on election day or sooner and drag our friends, neighbors, relatives, co-workers, etc, to the polls to vote straight conservative for every slot on our ballots. The only way we can win our freedom back is to vote out the liberal progressives and vote in as many liberty loving conservatives as is humanly possible into every elected office at every level of government all across this great land. To prevent a total loss to the dems or GOP-e, we must continue the tea party rebellion into November and beyond. Whatever else you may do, you must turn out and vote straight tea party conservative down ticket!!

We must continue expanding our inroads into the state houses and into every elective office in the land. We must continue building on our majority in the house and we must retake the senate!! We must help the conservative governors and state legislatures to fully restore the ninth and tenth amendments and reclaim the real political power away from the federal usurpers and return it to the states and the people per the constitution!! This way, regardless of who wins the presidency, we can cut his unconstitutional expansionist movements off at the knees. And if any executive, civil officer or judge dares commit impeachable offenses, we must hold the majorities so we can impeach and remove them from office!!

And we must salvage and rebuild and continue strengthening our conservative pro-life, pro-family, pro-gun, pro-borders, pro-constitution, pro-small government, pro-defense, pro-liberty movements and our tea party coalition. And we must stop ripping each other apart!!

Therefore I hereby propose a general truce among our conservative forces!!

The Republic we save may be our own!!

As far as FR's finances go, we're in the same boat as the rest of the economy and will have to make do with what we can raise. Fortunately, the big debts we ran up a couple years ago have been paid off. We borrowed approx $20,000 a few years ago from two FReepers to fund our national convention, plus we ran up another $20,000 in legal fees during the last couple of years fighting off Righthaven. But those are now behind us and paid off. We also did quite a bit of traveling each year for the last three years on cross country tea party tours, but I think we can now cut that back and remove it from our budget requirements. If we're fortunate enough to not incur any additional legal costs or equipment costs (other than what we've already planned), and cut the travel and a few other areas, we should be able to tighten our belts enough to weather the storm even if we fail to reach our short term fundraising goals.

Whatever the outcome of the elections, we are prepared to roar into 2013 with the tea party chewing up liberal/progressives and RINOs and raising hell in our never ending fight for liberty!!

We are the resistance!!

Let's take the enemy head-on instead of fighting each other!!

Damn the torpedoes, full steam ahead!!


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To: montanajoe; Jim Robinson; onyx

What you said.

Of all the posts, I like your simplicity the best.

What Jim has said probably changes little on the passion of the discourse on FR, but makes it a little more wide open for the fearful to tout their great courage in voting for Romney to “save us all from Obama”.

I hope I can live up to your post, and doubt that I will very consistently, but you are absolutely right.

Because Romney is a self-professed Progressive right along with the Black Progressive Caucas, including Maxine Waters, Barbara Lee, and also Hillary Clinton & Brac Obama, I have to go with the conscience I have, vote someone else and trust God for the rest.

There are those who are so afraid they just can’t care about that, so why would God want to intervene?

See, already I can’t keep an opinon to myself! :)


761 posted on 05/04/2012 1:53:52 PM PDT by RitaOK (Nevermind, Newt. Forget the convention. I'm trusting God for the rest.)
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To: Tau Food
Yeah, I know things have changed in Russia, but it was too much to go into and I needed an example. But I disagree about "United Russia". If you've traveled to Russia lately you know you have to provide two sets of visa papers. One is for the KGB. UR is just the party in another dress.

(my favorite was the Beer and Pretzel Party...or something like that)

762 posted on 05/04/2012 1:54:09 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: donna

Term limits seem like a stupid idea to me. It just takes power away from the voters. It would probably lead to a younger Congress, which would almost certainly make it more liberal. It would remove in equal proportion liberal and conservative legislators, so there’s no automatic net loss to be suffered by one side. Plus there’s every likelihood any location will elect a new person of the same political stripe.

Not to mention, it’s the fear of being voted out and the incentive of being reelected that helps hold politicians’ feet to the fire. Isn’t the line about Obama that he would be more dangerous in his second term when he didn’t have to worry about being reelected? Of course. Term limits give politicians more incentive to be destructive and dangerous.

So why spend the effort pushing for term limits when there are no clear gains to be made and a removal of a good incentive in the current system? We already have the power to vote out whoever we want on election day and have shown that we can and will do it.


763 posted on 05/04/2012 1:54:09 PM PDT by JediJones (From the makers of Romney, Bloomberg/Schwarzenegger 2016. Because the GOP can never go too far left.)
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To: SAWTEX
I need the ability to donate with a visa debit as that is the only plastic I use.

I donate via a debit card because, like you, it is the only plastic I use. Has not been a problem. IMHO, give it a shot and see what happens.

If you don't want to do that, ask your bank for their suggestions.

764 posted on 05/04/2012 1:54:15 PM PDT by upchuck (Need is not an acceptable lifestyle choice; dependent is not a career. ~ Dr. Tim Nerenz)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Just trying be be realistic here, but Texas (along with other states) hasn't voted in the primary, and I expect Gingrich will be on the ballot for the primary.

Has a candidate who suspended his campaign ever gone on to win a primary? Not asking rhetorically, I don't know the answer.

765 posted on 05/04/2012 1:54:22 PM PDT by MaxFlint
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To: Jim Robinson

Therefore, I will take my ball and go home.


766 posted on 05/04/2012 1:55:08 PM PDT by CPT Clay (Pick up your weapon and follow me.)
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To: Servant of the Cross

Our faction has OUTFITS!!!! Woot! Woot!


767 posted on 05/04/2012 1:57:33 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Longbow1969
There is little appetite for sitting this election out or wasting votes on 3rd party's or write-in's.

My vote, nor any other free abiding citizens vote is never a wasted vote....An 'unprincipled vote' is the only wasted vote.....you're helping 'to preserve the status quo' you probably despise.

Voting for what you believe is never a wasted vote....I believe 'Romney and Obama are socialists' and bad for our country,.... therefore I will vote conservative... of which neither are.

768 posted on 05/04/2012 1:58:26 PM PDT by caww
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To: Servant of the Cross

Our faction has OUTFITS!!!! Woot! Woot!


769 posted on 05/04/2012 1:58:36 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

My vote in the Primary will be a vote in support of the US Constitution and against Socialism, Marxism, Fascism, State-ism, Big Government, or a New World Order.

At this point, there is about to be only one way left to do that on the Republican Primary ticket, for those of us that have not had their primary yet.

The fact that we have allowed Ron Paul be the Republican Party’s only remaining outspoken supporter of the Constitution speaks volumes about what we are up against.

Obama has swung the nation’s pendulum so far away from the Constitution that nothing short of an equal or greater swing back towards it has any hope of preserving our Republic.

To those of you that think swinging it back just a little with Romney is good enough, well, good luck with that...

How do you think we got here in the first place?


770 posted on 05/04/2012 1:58:57 PM PDT by EasySt (Life is precious. Live it well.)
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To: Finny; reaganaut

“That’s Magic Fingers’ way of calling reaganaut’s decision to reject Romney an egotistical bit of vanity.”

No, that’s Magic Fingers’ way of responding to the blubber hereon by some who have had a special valve installed so they can blow smoke up their own a$$es, telling all that God smiles especially on them because they’re not going to vote for Romney...and that He frowns on anyone who thinks otherwise. If either of you are not one of those goofballs, sorry - it wasn’t intended for you. If you are, it was.


771 posted on 05/04/2012 1:59:07 PM PDT by Magic Fingers (Political correctness mutates in order to remain virulent.)
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To: MNlurker

I still have my hazmat suit I used when voting for Bush 41 in 1992 and for Dole in 1996 and McCain in 2008.


772 posted on 05/04/2012 1:59:09 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Democrats are dangerous and evil. Republicans are just useless and useful idiots.)
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To: Bigun
You want Realville?

Romney has a solidly documented record of being FOR all the things we conservatives are against -- state-run health care, abortion, activist judges, global warming regulation, and the gay agenda. Realville: you're willing to vote FOR that, to make that deal with the devil, in order to avoid Obama. In Realville, a deal with the devil is ALWAYS a losing proposition.

773 posted on 05/04/2012 2:02:00 PM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent * By the way, Ted, voting for Romney is voting stupid.)
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To: caww
You’re not listening to the reasons people are giving you why Ron Paul isn’t supported.

I've read what's been given. I just believe that "reason" must be based in fact or reality. Simply because one says something or "believes" something to be true, doesn't mean it is true. There's only one poster I have not responded to with sound argument. And his post is very long and very involved. I don't have the mental energy at this time to respond to it, but I "heard" the reasons.

Also, I'm not questioning "why Paul isn't supported"; I'm asking why Romney and not Paul. No one has given me a solid answer in response to that question.

as many Paul supporters you’re in denial.

I'm a Palin supporter. Questioning is not the same as denying.

Further he’s been protecting Romney’s flank from day one.

Can you give me specific actions or even words that Ron Paul has made (at least three examples) that would make this a valid statement?

774 posted on 05/04/2012 2:02:38 PM PDT by MSSC6644 (Defeat Satan: pray the Rosary.)
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To: Jim Robinson
We must continue expanding our inroads into the state houses and into every elective office in the land. We must continue building on our majority in the house and we must retake the senate!! We must help the conservative governors and state legislatures to fully restore the ninth and tenth amendments and reclaim the real political power away from the federal usurpers and return it to the states and the people per the constitution

Rome wasn't built in a day. Neither was the colossus that is now federal government. We need to consistently chip it away and put in its place a cultural, societal, and economic framework for which our founders in their wisdom and vast knowledge laid the groundwork.

Keep pushing at the local level and in the federal legislature.

Onward & upward.

775 posted on 05/04/2012 2:02:47 PM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: Beagle8U

You never said it was posted here. More delays from you. You made the claim, back it up or I will just take it to mean that you have no support for your bogus claim that not voting for Romney will VOID my entire ballot.

Other races do not depend upon who I vote for for POTUS.


776 posted on 05/04/2012 2:06:45 PM PDT by reaganaut (VAB! Voting against both Romney and Obama. Constitution party, here I come!)
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To: MaxFlint
Newt doesn't have to win. He has to keep Romney from locking up enough undisputed delegates to secure the nomination. And then it goes to the floor. And from there, anything can happen.

/johnny

777 posted on 05/04/2012 2:07:08 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: reaganaut
1 1/6th
778 posted on 05/04/2012 2:07:26 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Finny
Obama is beatable even if he's re-elected

How? Will he be thrown out by the courts? He hasn't been so far. Will he be impeached and convicted in the senate?

Republicans couldn't accomplish that with Clinton and they had DNA proof of perjury.

If Obama wins odds are he serves another four full years.

Don't try to minimize it with pie in the sky hopes.

779 posted on 05/04/2012 2:07:26 PM PDT by MaxFlint
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To: Jim Robinson

This speaks , no SHOUTS, your true honorable character.
We are so lucky you are there.


780 posted on 05/04/2012 2:07:42 PM PDT by RWGinger (Simpl)
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