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Frank discussion re our loss to Obama/Romney and the future direction of FR and tea party movement
Click here to pledge your support! ^ | May 4, 2012 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 05/04/2012 6:31:27 AM PDT by Jim Robinson

My FRiends, we might as well face the reality that we the combined pro-life conservative movement and tea party coalition have lost this round (the presidential election) in the larger battle to reclaim our constitution and our inalienable rights. Rove, Romney and the GOP-e have successfully destroyed and driven off each and every pro-life conservative tea party candidate from the race and all have surrendered to the Romney camp. It is no secret that Romney is not one of us. There is absolutely no doubt that he has never accomplished a single conservative thing in his entire political career (one term as liberal governor of liberal Massachusetts and six years campaigning for president). In Massachusetts, he undeniably championed abortion, gay rights, global warming, gun control, big government statist mandated/socialized health care programs, liberal judges, TARP, bailouts, stimulus spending, debt limit increases, etc, and even though he's recently claimed a complete reversal in political beliefs and no longer despises pro-life conservatives or the time of Reagan-Bush, I still don't trust him. He still stubbornly holds on to some of his statist beliefs, like global warming, gays in the military, RomneyCare, stimulus spending, etc, so there is no way I can vote for him or join Cain, Perry, Bachmann, Newt or any others who are endorsing him. But I will not act on my prior promises that I would actively campaign against him if he wins the nomination. Our combined movement is already torn and splintered and is going to have to be mended if we're going to have any impact whatsoever against the liberal/progressives and statists after the election. To that end I propose a TRUCE among our conservative forces during the remainder of this election cycle.

We conservatives have already lost the presidency to either the Dems or the GOP-e, and if we tear the tea party apart, if we tear the pro-life movement apart, if we tear FR apart then we lose it all. It's far more important that we re-unite and live to fight another day. Even if we can't vote for a true conservative for the presidency, it's doubly important that we all turn out on election day or sooner and drag our friends, neighbors, relatives, co-workers, etc, to the polls to vote straight conservative for every slot on our ballots. The only way we can win our freedom back is to vote out the liberal progressives and vote in as many liberty loving conservatives as is humanly possible into every elected office at every level of government all across this great land. To prevent a total loss to the dems or GOP-e, we must continue the tea party rebellion into November and beyond. Whatever else you may do, you must turn out and vote straight tea party conservative down ticket!!

We must continue expanding our inroads into the state houses and into every elective office in the land. We must continue building on our majority in the house and we must retake the senate!! We must help the conservative governors and state legislatures to fully restore the ninth and tenth amendments and reclaim the real political power away from the federal usurpers and return it to the states and the people per the constitution!! This way, regardless of who wins the presidency, we can cut his unconstitutional expansionist movements off at the knees. And if any executive, civil officer or judge dares commit impeachable offenses, we must hold the majorities so we can impeach and remove them from office!!

And we must salvage and rebuild and continue strengthening our conservative pro-life, pro-family, pro-gun, pro-borders, pro-constitution, pro-small government, pro-defense, pro-liberty movements and our tea party coalition. And we must stop ripping each other apart!!

Therefore I hereby propose a general truce among our conservative forces!!

The Republic we save may be our own!!

As far as FR's finances go, we're in the same boat as the rest of the economy and will have to make do with what we can raise. Fortunately, the big debts we ran up a couple years ago have been paid off. We borrowed approx $20,000 a few years ago from two FReepers to fund our national convention, plus we ran up another $20,000 in legal fees during the last couple of years fighting off Righthaven. But those are now behind us and paid off. We also did quite a bit of traveling each year for the last three years on cross country tea party tours, but I think we can now cut that back and remove it from our budget requirements. If we're fortunate enough to not incur any additional legal costs or equipment costs (other than what we've already planned), and cut the travel and a few other areas, we should be able to tighten our belts enough to weather the storm even if we fail to reach our short term fundraising goals.

Whatever the outcome of the elections, we are prepared to roar into 2013 with the tea party chewing up liberal/progressives and RINOs and raising hell in our never ending fight for liberty!!

We are the resistance!!

Let's take the enemy head-on instead of fighting each other!!

Damn the torpedoes, full steam ahead!!


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To: Bainbridge; Jim Robinson
Thank you for being gracious as well as intelligent. We need to all do what we can to ( ultimately) save this Republic.

Ever notice how much more intelligent you get, the farther left you move? Commonly known as intellectual growth, especially if you abandon Christianity and embrace homosexuality.

1,461 posted on 05/07/2012 12:23:21 PM PDT by itsahoot (I will not vote for Romney period. You can't trust the man with the big red (R))
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To: itsahoot

—We are now in the bargaining stage of the destruction of the Constitution, and the GOPe is at the front of the pack.—

And this is why I think there is no political solution. We are about to live Dr. Zivago, but with less snow.

I think we’re also about to live Ezekiel 39. Personally, I’m already in Revelation 18:4, for all the good it will do me.


1,462 posted on 05/07/2012 12:24:18 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: cuban leaf
The only reason he gets away with what he does is that the congress does not use their constitutional authority to slap him back into reality.

Ever cross your mind that the reason they don't is because they agree with him? If they don't agree with him, how could you tell?

1,463 posted on 05/07/2012 12:29:31 PM PDT by itsahoot (I will not vote for Romney period. You can't trust the man with the big red (R))
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To: ari-freedom; All
RUSH LIMBAUGH and you let yourselves accept Romney's lie:

Newt lost because Romney pointed out that he was against capitalism....

True story, Rush and Ari: During WWII when Japanese Americans were interned, many long-time Japanese farmers were put in the position of having to let their farmland go.

Unsung, unheralded generally by their own preference because they were modest, humble GOOD men and capitalists all doing this because IT WAS THE RIGHT AND MORAL THING TO DO, took responsibility for those Japanese farmers' operations, though they were their direct competitiors; these GOOD capitalists kept those farms running for the duration of the war so when those Japanese farmer friends and neighbors returned, they had their land and farming operations intact and waiting for them. I know this is true and that it happened because I personally know people -- Japanese-American and non-Japanese American -- who lived it.

In fact, when the niece of one of those now-gone farmers was in the hospital not so long ago with a very dangerous medical condition and a Japanese-American doctor at that hospital saw her chart and discussed it with his brother, another doctor, he quitely inquired: "Do you know who this is?" And that woman received even better special care and treatment than normal because those two knew that a major reason their parents had been able to send them to medical school, was because of the GOODNESS of her ENTIRELY CAPTALIST uncle, and indeed that uncle was only one of MANY excellent, principled CAPITALISTS who understood so well that pursuing capitalism doesn't justify doing immoral things.

A ROMNEY "capitalist" farmer at that time would have done (and sad to say, many did) what would have been perfectly acceptable in a capitalist system: bought the land at cut-rate prices and kept it for their own profit. It would have been perfect practice of capitalism, totally legal. BUT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN WRONG. Having read somewhat in-depth elsewhere about real mechanisms of what some have called "vulture capitalism" of the type Romney practiced at Bain, when Rush very stupidly and destructively criticized Newt's criticism of Romney at Bain as being "anti-capitalist," was very much in spirit THE SAME THING as criticizing those GOOD farmers for doing the right thing and accusing them of being "anti-capitalist" when those GOOD farmers disdained and ostracized their MAMMON-WORSHIPPING "capitalist" colleagues who took stinking "legal" advantage of their interned Japanese-American competitors.

When Rush so totally and disturbingly jumped on the "Newt's an anti-capitalist because he criticized Romney" bandwagon, he burned a bridge that he will have a hard time rebuilding with me. He proved himself shallow to the point of being amoral (as opposed to immoral).

The next time you think about accusing Newt of being an "anti-capitalist," you HAD BETTER REMEMBER that you will be in spirit also criticizing as "anti-capitalist" those GOOD CAPITALIST CALIFORNIA FARMERS who held in righteous contempt other farmers who practiced a particular, legal, and very low form of capitalism and destroyed some excellent Japanese-American farms.

1,464 posted on 05/07/2012 12:43:56 PM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent * By the way, Ted, voting for Romney is voting stupid.)
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To: cuban leaf
Personally, I’m already in Revelation 18:4, for all the good it will do me.

He hideth my Soul
IN the Cleft of the Rock And Covereth me with His hand.

No need to run He has us covered.

1,465 posted on 05/07/2012 12:52:11 PM PDT by itsahoot (I will not vote for Romney period. You can't trust the man with the big red (R))
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To: ari-freedom; All
MY APOLOGIES, ari-freedom, humbly offered, if I (and I think I did) mistake your post by thinking that you agreed with Romney and Rush in calling Newt an "anti-capitalist." BIG APOLOGIES, HUMBLY MADE if I was mistaken.

It's still, as you can see, a real sore spot with me about Rush. Rush is mostly right, but when he's wrong -- as he was about the "anti-capitalist Newt" charge, he's REALLY REALLY AND DESTRUCTIVELY wrong.

1,466 posted on 05/07/2012 12:54:43 PM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent * By the way, Ted, voting for Romney is voting stupid.)
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To: itsahoot

—Ever cross your mind that the reason they don’t is because they agree with him?—

Not only has it crossed my mind, but I think it is at least partly true. It is one reason I say there is no political solution to our current dilemma. The other reason is that I think we are so far gone that the founding fathers themselves could return from the grave and still not get us out of this mess. It is too late. the die is cast. The ship has hit the iceberg and is dead in the water. The flooding has reached C deck. Etc...


1,467 posted on 05/07/2012 12:55:23 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: itsahoot

But He tells us to.

It sort of reminds me of the old joke about the Christian in a flood. He prayed to God to save him.

So the water gets to his porch and a rowboat comes by to save him and he says “The Lord will save me.” Then its up to the second story and a large boat comes by and he pushes them away and says, “The Lord will save me.” Finally he is teetering on the top of his chimney surrounded by water and a helicopter throws down a rope. He pushes it away and says, “The Lord will save me.”

Eventually he is swept away and he drowns. At heaven’s gate he asks the Lord why He didn’t save him. The Lord says, “I sent you two boats and a helicopter.”

Revelation 18:4 says to come out of her. I did.


1,468 posted on 05/07/2012 1:02:55 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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So here’s the thing - Ron Paul is pro-life, pro-family, pro-gun, pro-borders, pro-constitution, pro-small government, pro-defense (an Air Force veteran as well), pro-liberty, and he’s just won his fifth state guaranteeing him a slot on the convention ballot.

Yes, he’s said some things about foreign policy that raise many Republicans’ hackles, but does that trump all his other conservative bonafides? Would you really rather have Romney instead of a rock-ribbed constitutionalist who holds what you consider to be a short-sighted view of foreign policy and military interventionism?

Paul might be persuaded to change his views on foreign policy once he gets the classified CinC briefings, but how likely is it that Romney can be persuaded to change his litany of anti-life, anti-family, anti-liberty views once elected?

Ron Paul is the only candidate left besides Romney in the GOP field. Are we really willing to flush all the Tea Party’s gains, by nominating the guy who lost to the guy who lost to Obama, over this one issue of a non-interventionist foreign policy?


1,469 posted on 05/07/2012 2:26:21 PM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: Agamemnon

This is great thinking and strategy. If Romney did this I would think twice about voting for him. Unfortunately, asking Mittens to coalesce with real Conservatives is like asking water to run uphill. I’ll wait until I see it.


1,470 posted on 05/07/2012 4:02:23 PM PDT by APatientMan (Pick a side)
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To: Jim Robinson

Ok - here’s the plan. Pay attention.

We push hard for Mitt to take Palin on as his VP. He caves when he sees how McCain’s numbers went up after naming her, they’re elected with strong senate and representative majorities.

Then with our best opposition research we move to impeach him and we end up with Madame President Palin. And for you ladies, we’ll also have the First Hunk for four years minimum. ;-)

Of course, Mitt probably doesn’t even drink coffee so we might actually have to set up some kind of sting along the lines of the recent secret service antics.

Only problem: We have to push for Palin, hide Romney’s weaknesses and then hammer him just after the election.

To all: Feel free to post if you have a better plan. ;-)


1,471 posted on 05/07/2012 4:17:03 PM PDT by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here ;-)
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To: Jim Robinson
We must continue expanding our inroads into the state houses and into every elective office in the land. We must continue building on our majority in the house and we must retake the senate!! We must help the conservative governors and state legislatures to fully restore the ninth and tenth amendments and reclaim the real political power away from the federal usurpers and return it to the states and the people per the constitution!! This way, regardless of who wins the presidency, we can cut his unconstitutional expansionist movements off at the knees. And if any executive, civil officer or judge dares commit impeachable offenses, we must hold the majorities so we can impeach and remove them from office!!

I might disagree with the use of regardless. If Romney wins, it will be in large part because conservatives take him to the dance. He's no fool, he'll recognize that. My guess he'll build his legacy, that's why you run, on economic issues. Social issues, government expansionism, gun rights, there's no upside in flopping his flips. We'll be far better off with Romney than Obama. Returning power to the states, that's always a problem and wouldn't necessarily be hopeful. Though again, there's no upside in opposition.

1,472 posted on 05/07/2012 4:27:15 PM PDT by SJackson (As a black man, you know, Barack could get shot going to the gas station, M Obama)
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To: Jim Robinson

“We must continue expanding our inroads into the state houses and into every elective office in the land. We must continue building on our majority in the house and we must retake the senate!!”

This is our only hope.


1,473 posted on 05/07/2012 4:43:32 PM PDT by Diggity
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To: ansel12
Therefore I hereby propose a general truce among our conservative forces!!

Pssssst! Over here Ansell......

1,474 posted on 05/07/2012 5:03:32 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (My 6 pack abs are now a full keg......)
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To: Agamemnon
OK - I like your plan in terms of practicality, very strong approach, in fact, I love it. ;-)

Of course, with my plan we end up with Sarah Palin as president but yours is good too. ;-)

1,475 posted on 05/07/2012 5:46:35 PM PDT by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here ;-)
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To: VeniVidiVici

Bump for later


1,476 posted on 05/07/2012 5:46:43 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (The Democrat Ku Klux Klan is alive and well - Ogletree, Sharpton, Williams, Jackson)
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To: Jim Robinson

I am sorry to read that. I regret that FR is becoming more like Little Green Footballs.

It is our duty to vote for the lesser of two evils. We can start the next campaign after this one is lost, if it is lost. If we win, we can encourage our friends to hold more conservative positions.

Don’t have an argument with not trusting politicians. No politician is worthy of trust, yet even Obama paid his union and environmentalist wacko supporters back. Support Romney and perhaps he will support the Gun Rights supporters who gave him a chance.


1,477 posted on 05/07/2012 7:23:50 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: donmeaker

LOL on little green footballs. FR is and will remain a pro-life conservative site, thank you very much!


1,478 posted on 05/07/2012 7:37:21 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Well, thank goodness for that!~


1,479 posted on 05/07/2012 9:18:58 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: Jim Robinson

This is exactly where the RINOs expected to leave us, with no other choice but to bend over, as they did with Dole, GW and McCan’t. We know where that road leads. It leads to the same kind of selling out of the forgotten men to carry the ever expanding burdens of big government, while the politicians enrich themselves and go on with business as usual doling out favors to their friends and skewing markets for their benefit.

We have accomplished nothing, not even anything close to restoring the extraordinary political work of Ronald Reagan that made the kind of lives we lived from his time up to the crash of mortgage scam possible. It is gone, buried under a layer of RINO guano so think it is out of reach.

Obama didn’t start this, and is not the root cause. His is just the last name on the very long list of politicians that added more to the train of abuses of the forgotten man, and no outcome of 2012 will do anything more than change the names over the doors of power to do so or the inevitable consequences of it. They do not care about us, never have, and will not until we make them care; and that doesn’t just go for the politicians themselves, but the people who are voting these subversives into office in the first place. There is no other way to finally get this over with, and we would not be the first generation to make hard to choices to go full bore into the unknown for the possibility to rid ourselves of the scourges of tyranny, knowing full well what the consequences of no longer capitulating to it mean. With God as my witness, I would gladly go through whatever it takes, if means a possibility to end this madness once and for all. The faster the consequences from what has been done to us come, the better off we will all be, even it means we have the fight of our lives.


1,480 posted on 05/07/2012 10:38:47 PM PDT by dajeeps
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