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The more trickles out about the LCS, the more one learns what a piece of garbage it is. Hideously overpriced (if anything, the cost estimates in the article seem to be lowballing the price by anywhere from 200 to 400 million dollars per ship), criminally under-armed, poorly designed, incredibly frail, and now plain badly built. Other ships have had fatigue and cracking problems, but those were older vessels nearing the end of their service lives, not brand new ships! Just cancel the blasted things already. License one of the better European frigates, or start over from scratch.
1 posted on 04/28/2012 6:14:49 PM PDT by JerseyanExile
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Where was it built?


2 posted on 04/28/2012 6:20:45 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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This is outrageous. The Navy procurement system apparently has sunk to turd world levels of corruption. There is no other explanation for such egregious incompetence. These ships threaten to literally fall apart in combat.
3 posted on 04/28/2012 6:22:08 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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Agree completely. The Little Crappy Ships need to be cancelled yesterday.


4 posted on 04/28/2012 6:25:28 PM PDT by GATOR NAVY
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If these are not fixable quickly and convincingly, this program needs to be be dumped. There will be no "next project" for quite a while.

I read maybe two years ago about a proposal to replace current Coast Guard ships with an upgraded version of their current ships. Those could probably replace the LCS, and be much less expensive.

6 posted on 04/28/2012 6:26:42 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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I especially like how they can’t go into head-waves at all during bad weather. It’s just what our Navy needs.

Hell, bring back the Battleships, they’d be cheaper and they look spectacular. :)


7 posted on 04/28/2012 6:30:43 PM PDT by Sporke (USS-Iowa BB-61)
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Really now... This SHOULD not have happened. When I was in the Coast Guard back in the 1970’s the 378Ft Secretary class ships were of this style construction and they had the same stress crack problems. It was easily fixed with an expansion joint in the superstructure that allowed the superstructure to flex with the hull.

Bi-metal construction often has this sort of problem especially where there are wide temperature extremes from the Water to the Air temperatures.

Somebody really fell down on the job with this design. Then again maybe they were more concerned about the quarters for a mixed crew?


8 posted on 04/28/2012 6:30:54 PM PDT by The Working Man
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Union workers strike again !


9 posted on 04/28/2012 6:32:17 PM PDT by DCBryan1 (Tagline removed at the request of someone who doesn't "get" Monty Python or Shakespeare.)
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My dad refused to accept a similar piece of crap when he was at the Pentagon. He had US Senators calling to lean on him to approve the defective vessel. He stood firm. It cost him a promotion from Commander to Captain. He was fine with that. Everyone knows where a Commander sits. The title Captain often elicits the question “Army or Air Force”.


12 posted on 04/28/2012 6:39:18 PM PDT by Myrddin
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Secretary of the Navy Raymond Mabus told the Senate Armed Services Committee in December 2010 that both variants of the LCS were performing well, and that “LCS–1, the Freedom, demonstrated some of the things we can expect during her maiden deployment earlier this year.”[8] Then-Chief of Naval Operations Admiral Gary Roughead echoed this praise for the LCS-1, stating “I deployed LCS earlier than any other ship class to assure we were on the right path operationally. It is clear to me that we are.”[9]

Ray Mabus appears to be a typical Obamanoid appointment--which is to say, totally incompetent and politically crazy. And I would guess that Roughead probably is the kind of Perfumed Prince that Obama and Mabus would pick to do their wrecking for them.

All this, of course, under a Communist Secretary of Defense.

13 posted on 04/28/2012 6:39:37 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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the Project On Government Oversight (POGO), a nonpartisan independent watchdog

If you believe those pukes at POGO are nonpartisan and independent I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you cheap.

14 posted on 04/28/2012 6:43:07 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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The Navy’s Crack Monitoring team...

May be time for me to re-join the Navy.

...uh...nevermind...just remembered the recent tiff they had over DADT.

20 posted on 04/28/2012 6:59:23 PM PDT by moovova
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I guess we never learned our lesson from the now-scrapped DLG Class guided missile frigates (remember the Belknap fire?) I was on the Leahy (DLG-16) when her aluminum superstructure actually separated from the main deck during during a sea state 5. There were no agnostics aboard that night.

It's also interesting to note that LCSs can't refuel at sea - they become hydrodynamically unstable when pulling up alongside an AO. I suppose we can tow them to Japan.
25 posted on 04/28/2012 8:36:52 PM PDT by Thrownatbirth (.....Iraq Invasion fan since '91.)
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“cannot travel into head seas at any speed.”

What a confidence builder. I’m sure the Chinese Admirals are laughing...

BOTH of these classes have major problems, the least of which is a shortage of crew, leading to severe and dangerous fatigue.


26 posted on 04/28/2012 8:53:35 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Election 2012: THE RAPTURE OF THE DEMOCRATS)
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More troubles for the Silkworm magnets.


27 posted on 04/28/2012 9:20:40 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (Liberalism: Carrying adolescent values and behavior into adult life.)
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The LCS has been plagued with troubles from inception. USS FREEDOM (LCS-1) was originally to have been built of aluminum, but that was somehow changed to steel and the design is seriously flawed (overweight). This design flaw trickles down to many, may other areas.

USS INDEPENDENCE (LCS-2) is all aluminum and more survivable in a fight due to its three hulls vice one in LCS-1. However, the aluminum hull has experienced severe salt water corrosion problems and has necessitated a long and protracted yard period to apply the fixes.

Both ships are seriously under armed. They cannot survive without protection of the surface battle group. The Navy has said they are basically throwaway warships — but they disguise this with a fancy euphemism.

The ships are highly computerized to reduce manning, and the standard crew is about 45 officers, chiefs, and enlisted. There are too few hands to do things aboard ship and stand watches and endure long deployments.

Habitability issues when aviation assets or when VBSS (visit, board, search, seizure) teams or other teams are embarked. In these cases. “crew modules” that accommodate four sailors are embarked to provide sleeping quarters. All other features designed for a crew of 45 are overtaxed by the additional personnel including: messing, shower and head facilities, laundry.

The navy is very proud of the fact the LCS can crank 45 knots. Whoopie! I don't suppose the Navy has figured that an LCS running at 45 knots cannot outrun an anti-ship cruise missile traveling at Mach 0.8 to 2.0? Another question for the Navy “experts”: who's going to handle casualties and do damage control after you take a hit or hits? Crickets.

28 posted on 04/28/2012 10:13:54 PM PDT by MasterGunner01 (11)
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“Look for the Union Label”

The pictures of the cracks seem to indicate bad welds. The construction records should tell which welders did the welds and which inspectors approved them. It might prove interesting to see if the same welders and inspectors show up at the bad welds.


31 posted on 04/28/2012 11:24:10 PM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again.")
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Those cracks are in the Lockheed LCS-1, which has a fairly conventional hullform. What is the status of the General Dynamics LCS, which is much more radical in form?


33 posted on 04/29/2012 12:11:24 AM PDT by TXnMA
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Thanks for the work ...It seems we leared nothing since the Sheffield and a number of other incidents at 367 mil$ ea and unseawothy for the open sea a complete waste .
Under who’s administration when they were ordered and who’s when commissioned ?


34 posted on 04/29/2012 1:53:39 AM PDT by mosesdapoet (The best way to punish a - country is let professors run it. Fredrick the Great p/p)
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Seagoing Sheridans.


35 posted on 04/30/2012 6:48:35 PM PDT by Trod Upon (Obama: Making the Carter malaise look good. Misery Index in 3...2...1)
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