Posted on 04/23/2012 2:25:39 PM PDT by MindBender26
I have just learned from a friend in Seminole County law enforcement, who is very close to Zimmermann case, that the case against Mr. Zimmerman is even weaker than originally thought.
It seems that the police officer/technician who collected the evidence at the scene and signed the evidence report was not in any way qualified to do so.
He was much more of a breathalyzer technician and someone who would do field drug testing and initial toxicology reports at the scenes of suspected crimes. It is believed that the shooting was his first ever full crime scene investigation and he had not been trained to the standard levels of competency. The Sanford PD did not think the case against Zimmerman had nearly enough merit to bother doing a thorough investigation.
In addition, when the drug screens come back from Martin, they will show a host of recreational drugs. All of this is further circumstantial evidence of potential irrational activity on the part of Mr. Martin, and remember, the State has already admitted that they have no evidence as to who started the fight.
There's more: There is another very interesting point of law coming to the forefront. It may easily be held that regardless of who started the fight, when Martin slammed Zimmerman's head onto the concrete with the force that he did, that act became Assault With A Deadly Weapon, (the concrete,) and at that point Zimmerman had the right to defend himself, with deadly force if necessary, regardless of what had happened up to that point.
We shall see.
I’ve also suspected that mj use, sale, or buying might be involved. But isn’t this “new insider info” just more speculation? Note that the post says of the toxicology data “when it comes back...” This implies it isn’t available now, and the poster does not actually claim that the lab leaked the results to his source.
I remember as a teenager, walking, running, biking for miles, going to a store for no urgent reason, etc., just to get out of the house and burn off excess energy. No drugs or crime were involved. Isn’t it just as (or more) plausible to imagine TM as a bored, antsy teenager, out roaming aimlessly to escape being couped up in daddy’s “fiance’s” tiny crib, away from his friends? Jumping GZ goes with being stupid, a condition not unassociated with the teen years, and stupid moves often have fatal results. That’s why troubled teens need parents to be with them, not away at a sports bar watching TV.
How DARE he get.out.of.his.car.....Signed, Clara Lou
Are the two of you out of your cars? GET BACK IN YOUR CARS!
If you are the D lawyer, why ever let it go to the jury if you can stop it early.
It does seem that he took a lot longer to get back than would be necessary...but maybe he was smelling the flowers, or birdwatching. Maybe he was hoping to see a prothonotary warbler.
If Trayvon knocked him down, he was not standing...so how could he invoke a “stand your ground” defense?
You forgot a “know what I’m sayin’.”
Stand your Ground is just part of a larger self defense law in FL. For this case, the important part isn't the Stand your Ground part. There are 2 parts of this law relevant to this case:
1) In the SYG hearing a judge makes the decision and George only needs to prove by the preponderance of the evidence (a much easier standard to fulfill) that George acted in self defense. It throws out all state criminal charges before a jury even hears the evidence.
2) If George is successful at this point, then there can be no civil actions against him. Remember OJ? He was ruled “not guilty” but still had to pay civil damages. If, on the other hand, George is ruled not guilty after a trial, then the vultures can come out and go after his assets (probably meager) but also the assets of the homeowners assoc. and even the city of Sanford.
Of course, the feds could also (and probably will) go after George. I think it is significant that the probable cause affidavit said that George muttered “fu..ing punks” instead of “fu..ing c..ns” It makes it much harder for the feds to claim racial animus on George's part.
I had not jumped to any conclusion re toxicology tests.
Someone a few days ago, maybe a couple of weeks, that there would likely be no bruising developing when no blood was circulating a few moments after the punch he was said to deliver. So no marks from that. (???)
You got me digging through forensic texts. Found this FWIW:
It’d also be interesting to know if Zimmerman’s DNA was found. A complicating issue there would be whether the hands were bagged at the scene. Watching the details of the forensic evidence always fascinates me in these cases.
“Everybody knows that if a dispatcher tells you not to something it is illegal for you to do it anyway.”
IIRC the dispatcher said “we don’t need you to do that”. Just another little lie the MSM has convinced us about by repeating and repeating.
Yes, thief
...and then would have posted his little 'gangsta' video on YouTube without a whimper from anyone...
I base my admittedly wild speculation on Martin’s drug use on a few things.
1. The reason he was in Sanford in the first place was that he had been expelled from school in the Miami area...for having a baggie with residue.
2. The Wagist site has some screen captures of people’s homage to Martin, after he died. At least two show photos of a rolled up ‘blunt’....giving some indication that MJ was a big part of his life.
3. The Wagist site has a screen cap of a Twitter from one of Martin’s friends...the friend asks where Martin is, and says he needs a ‘plant’...i.e. weed.
So, it seems pretty likely he was a drug user...or at least in the sales and marketing department.
And back to the night of the shooting - it was supposedly bad weather. And Martin presumably had the apartment to himself (if not, somebody would have noticed his lack of return, and associated it with the gunshot and 7 hour police presence in the neighborhood).
I can certainly understand going to make a candy run..but I’ve got the apartment to myself, the NBA all-star game is about to start, the weather is bad, I’m on the phone with my girlfriend...I’m making it a quick candy run. Which leads to my assumption that he may have been burning more than time.
Which finally leads to Zimmerman’s phone call, in which he states that he thinks Martin may be on drugs.
Just my opinion...wild speculation really....time will tell.
The truth can only be found from looking at pictures of Trayvon from when he was 10 years old. We need more of that. More baby pictures. Oh, and we need to start calling him an “honor student”. I’m amazed at how many people have fallen for this crap. Even a fair number of Freepers. Pathetic.
Oh lordy....are you THAT ignorant?
Are you REALLY saying that self defense can ONLY be claimed before a jury?
Are you REALLY saying that the hundreds, thousands, of cases annually where the claim of self defense is upheld and no trial is held, are the result of a judge ruling SYG?
Really?
The answers to your foolish questions are:
No
No, but usually
Depends on the statute of the state. SYG is effectively an extension of Castle and SG
Yes
In the words of Demastreau: “The uninformed is detected by his answers, the fool by his questions.”
The answers to your foolish questions are:
No
No, but usually
Depends on the statute of the state. SYG is effectively an extension of Castle and SG
Yes
In the words of Demastreau: “The uninformed is detected by his answers, the fool by his questions.”
The answers to your foolish questions are:
No
No, but usually
Depends on the statute of the state. SYG is effectively an extension of Castle and SD
Yes
In the words of Demastreau: “The uninformed is detected by his answers, the fool by his questions.”
Are you aware that every day, in every major city in the country, charges are not brought, or dismissed by a judge, in assault, battery, manslaughter and other cases by the simple application of justification by reason of self defense?
It has no connection to SYG, Castle Doctrine, or any other recent laws. It has existed forever and needs no other justification.
By the by, when one is on the ground, unable to escape, how can one apply SYG, which is intended to allow self defense when there IS an opportunity to escape.
Conversely, in the same situation, self defense certainly applies.
So, self defense, a doctrine recognized throughout history is foolish in your eyes?
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