Posted on 04/06/2012 9:53:59 AM PDT by pgkdan
No other details as yet. Just reported as an emergency blurb on local radio. Prayers requested for all affected!
A Navy F-18 out of NAS Oceana has crashed into an apartment comp0lex in Virginia Beach VA at the intersection of Birdneck Rd and I 264.
A Prayer of Thanks. Praise the Lord, no serious injuries from what the latest report I heard said.
In the crash in Alameda it took a week before they even knew what the exact toll was. There were lots of deaths at the point of impact, and over 50 injuries in the building.
I don't know. It looked like Oceana was going to be closed after the last round of BRAC but the city and state fought hard and made some concessions that stayed the Navy's hand. But VB is not the rural backwater that it was in 1941 when the bas ewas built. I just don't think it makes sense to have a Master Jet Base in the middle of a city of 500,000...a region of 1.5 million. I know the Navy was here first but that point is really moot at this time. The City of VA Beach grew up around the base.
BTW...I'm not one of those cry babies who don't like the jet noise. I live a mile off one of the runways and most of my neighbors are Navy, many of them pilots from Oceana. I love the Navy and jet noise to me is the sound of freedom!
I also agree with you about dispersing assets. It's scary to think that all of the Atlantic Fleet's carriers are in one port. It doesn't make sense. But if you talk about moving a carrier group out of Norfolk you're liable to get tarred and feathered and run out of town on a rail.
That's my fear. Two of the buildings were completly destroyed. They collapsed and are ashes. BUT...so far nobody has reported any family members missing or unaccounted for.
Thanks LUV. I heard about this during Rush’s show. Luckily no one was hurt as per the last report I heard.
Prayers up...
I think 5 people were treated for smoke inhalation, according to Fox.com. It was a very lucky day for all involved, aside for the crash, of course.
Oh, FFS. Libs are using this accident to “prove” that the 9/11 airliner crashing into the Pentagon never happened. That the damage to the building was an inside job by Bush.
The take off was one mile and half from the crash....with a wing ablaze, at jet speed, and disengaged from the plane... one would assume you'd understand, more than others, the position of the plane as well as the pilot...if you were truly a pilot.
On the other hand if you are....then you should have known better then to make a judgement call without the facts. So I say again concerning you're original remark....idiot.
Unless they had absolutely no control of the plane at all, weren't they obligated to stay with it and make sure that it DIDN'T hit something like it did?
Many years ago at the Niagara Falls AFB there was a flight show, either Blue Angels or Thunderbirds, I don't recall which one. There was a malfunction in one of the planes and the pilot chose to stay with the plane and land it in a controlled crash away from the crowd instead of ejecting and having the possibility of it landing IN the crowd.
The decision cost him his life, but he gave it to likely spare others.
Is this not what they're trained or expected to do?
Thanks for posting that. I was going to say something to exactly that effect. [I’m the very proud wife of a Machinist, and I wouldn’t have been quite as eloquent or kind as you... LOL]
From my local news source....
“JET CRASH UPDATE: Officials Say Some Apartment Residents Still Missing”
Not good....
During college (71-76) I worked at the Ocean View Fishing Pier and after graduation I worked for the Hembree family that owned that very Best Western along with 4 other motels along the strip. Small world, huh? I spent a lot of time down at Little Creek when I dated a guy who docked his headboat there.
Yeah, the City of Norfolk finally figured out what a gold mine that beach was, and everything changed once they did. I was glad that I had moved away by then so I didn’t have to see it.
I love the Outer Banks. When we lived in VB we'd go down quite often. We have friends who have a nice place in Duck right on the beach. There was a little "family" of wild horses who hung around there. Always a joy to see.
Pier 10 at N.O.B. should have never been built. It's not wind protected like 12 & 7. I saw a storm in about 78 that put have of the ships at N.O.B. out in the river channel torn from the piers.
N.O.B. NORVA up till the mid too late 80's was a three carrier berth at N.O.B. I've seen a picture of 5 there at once after pier 10 was built. That is a bad case of the Stupids on the part of The Pentagon who had them there all at the same time. Mayport is a carrier port and was a carrier home port for many years. None are home ported there now and that doesn't make any sense at all. Mayport does have two carrier berths though.
When I came back from my 77 cruise the old amusement park in Ocean View was gone. Me and a few buddies used to walk from Pier 12 to Ocean View to the Pizza place that was next to the amusement park. Back then there was nothing outside either the main gate on Hampton BLVD or Ocean View. If you wanted fast food it was a bus ride to Military Highway. I walked to there a few times also. LOL
When I went back in 2002 anything a person could want was outside the main gate. I did manage too locate enough land marks I remembered to where I went from the Main Gate on Hampton Bld with the cut across roads back over to Ocean View. There also wasn't an interstate by-pass in the 70's either LOL.
Too horrific to contemplate!
Well LUV it is a Holiday week-end and since an elderly community perhaps they are away visitng with family members...let’s hope so.
I hope so, too. I haven’t heard any more about it tonight....
No, it’s a personal decision that each pilot has to make. They’re not obligated to stay with a jet that’s going down. Most pilots eject below the flight manual minimum altitude in an effort to regain control. In fact, a lot of them eject out of the ejection seat performance envelope.
If the plane can be at least partially controlled and pointed in a safe direction, a pilot will do that. They’re trained for that. But a pilot is not doing a service to anybody by riding it in. If they can’t get it under control by the time they reach minimum ejection altitude, that last few thousand feet isn’t going to make a difference, especially in a situation like today’s. The jet was low and slow with an engine out (and who knows what other problems?). It was pretty well written in stone where that jet was going to hit. In that flight regime, the engines and control surfaces just don’t have enough authority to affect the flight path much.
I find it pretty insulting to suggest that the aircrew wasn’t doing their job and going against their training by not riding the jet into the fireball. They did everything they could before they punched out.
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